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5 year old in the ladies. Is it okay?

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LoveFridaynight · 13/05/2025 08:52

At what age would people feel uncomfortable to have a child of the opposite sex in the "wrong" toilet?
I was told off yesterday for taking my nearly 5 year old son in to the ladies. A woman in there said he should use the men's. No-one has ever said anything like this to me before. I could understand if he was a teenager or something but a young child?
Really? On his own? At 5? Not that he could anyway as he's autistic and not toilet trained so I needed to change his nappy.
I thought afterwards I should have used the disabled toilet but I try to avoid that incase someone who can only use the disabled toilet comes along. I think I will just do this in future though.
But regardless of disability I don't think children under the age of 9 should be in the toilet on their own.
What are your thoughts on the age a child should be using the "right" toilet?

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Scottishskifun · 13/05/2025 09:42

5 is completely fine.
With my 6 year old it depends where we are - he does prefer going into the men's and if alone and a small toilet then I let him on the basis I've seen nobody is in it and I stand outside the door.

Anywhere busy or unfamiliar and he comes in with me

IsItSnowing · 13/05/2025 09:42

I think at 5 you're perfectly ok to take him in. I would have.

Kreepture · 13/05/2025 09:40

VictoriaSpongeWithJam · 13/05/2025 09:38

Why? As all the signs say, not all disabilities are visible (or to do with toileting). There could be a myriad of reasons why someone could access the disabled toilet but not the standard ones. Are their disabilities not good enough for you?

Edited

please explain to me what disabilities are not covered by my caveat? of 'perfectly able bodied, not needing supervision or help'
that covers every disability physical, emotional and mental.

A 'normal' non disabled child and parent shouldn't be in the disabled loo because the parent isn't comfortable letting them go potty without them when they're over 8

tamade · 13/05/2025 09:39

ZaZathecat · 13/05/2025 08:58

She's an idiot

@LoveFridaynight this

all of the business is conducted in a cubicle anyway

Butchyrestingface · 13/05/2025 09:39

Tbrh · 13/05/2025 09:36

I honestly think it would be because of this, men's toilets are disgusting. I hate unisex toilets for this reason.

I do feel that’s an (another) issue that needs to be addressed though, rather than women being expected to tolerate secondary school aged males in their facilities because the men’s are rank:

I also hate unisex toilets but am in favour of them as an additional third space. So often now they seem to be used as a replacement though.

VictoriaSpongeWithJam · 13/05/2025 09:38

Kreepture · 13/05/2025 09:35

8/9 is fine, older if they're disabled and need support. My DS is significantly affected by autism, so came in with me until he was 12, he was clearly disabled, but not willing to have me in the cubicle with me, so i'd sit outside and talk to him.

As a wheelchair user If they're perfectly able bodied, and don't need help to pee, or supervision, the disabled toilet is not an acceptable alternative.

Why? As all the signs say, not all disabilities are visible (or to do with toileting). There could be a myriad of reasons why someone could access the disabled toilet but not the standard ones. Are their disabilities not good enough for you?

doodahdayy · 13/05/2025 09:38

shes a stupid woman. Of course you can’t send your 5 year old into the men’s toilet alone.

Lemonz · 13/05/2025 09:38

Of course a 5 year old little boy is fine in the ladies with his mum.

I wouldn't take my 7 year old boy in any more and he goes in the men's changing room at the pool as well (there is a male attendant in there).

But 5 is well within the bounds of acceptable and I don't think you'd find many women who wouldn't understand that.

Puffalicious · 13/05/2025 09:37

TwelveBlueSocks · 13/05/2025 09:04

I have a SEND teen boy and we use the disabled one. He can't manage the hand dryers. Nobody has ever had a problem with it, so that is an option.

Yup, 13 Yr old boy here- autism & epilepsy so we use the disabled toilet. That's what they're for.

Shambles123 · 13/05/2025 09:37

My son is neurotypical but very tall for his age so looked 8 or 9 at 6 which was harder. About 8 he started going to the mens by himself.

Tbrh · 13/05/2025 09:36

Butchyrestingface · 13/05/2025 09:14

I wouldn’t have any objection to this either. But I do wonder why a woman wouldn’t take her teenage son into the men’s in this instance.

Men take their daughters into the women’s facilities.

Is it ‘cos then men’s toilets are a piss-infested nightmare?

I honestly think it would be because of this, men's toilets are disgusting. I hate unisex toilets for this reason.

Lost20211 · 13/05/2025 09:36

I wouldn’t think twice about a five year old in the lady’s.

Butchyrestingface · 13/05/2025 09:36

Simplynotsimple · 13/05/2025 09:35

Your comment, sarcasm or not, was completely unnecessary and goading. No need to put the gender ideology aspect on it at all.

I detected gender ideology in the OP and responded in kind.

VictoriaSpongeWithJam · 13/05/2025 09:35

Yup, the general consensus seems to be under 8, but I continued to older than this with my small autistic son. It was utterly brutal. He was so anxious about leaving my side, yet I didn’t feel I could continue taking him in the ladies after a certain point. Some places he will now go on his own but some things we have had to stop doing. There are several places that have separate disabled changing rooms, but then you have to use the lockers in either the men’s or women’s changing, and if you can’t leave a child to go to the lockers or take them with you you’ve got a problem. Yes, I’m sure we could ask for help in some places, but we need calm predictability and minimal waiting around, and that’s never achievable as soon as you start asking for things, so we don’t go. It is a real shame. We recently tried a swimming pool with separate changing rooms several times and I’d came out the women’s changing to find him standing, dripping wet, with ear defenders on in reception because the men’s was too noisy. He can regulate with me there but not without me there.

pippapipps · 13/05/2025 09:35

Ignore that interfering woman it's your child and no way should a 5 year old go in the men's toilets on their own!!
I think my ds was about 9/10 before I allowed him in the men's toilets and I waited outside the door.. I always felt very anxious you do see some very creepy men in and out of the men's toilets 🤣
My ds had speech difficulties as a child and was very vulnerable but I would be if been the same either way.. do not let your 5 year old go in a men's toilets alone you know best ignore that woman

Kreepture · 13/05/2025 09:35

8/9 is fine, older if they're disabled and need support. My DS is significantly affected by autism, so came in with me until he was 12, he was clearly disabled, but not willing to have me in the cubicle with me, so i'd sit outside and talk to him.

As a wheelchair user If they're perfectly able bodied, and don't need help to pee, or supervision, the disabled toilet is not an acceptable alternative.

Simplynotsimple · 13/05/2025 09:35

Butchyrestingface · 13/05/2025 09:31

A shame that things have reached such a pass apparently only one person was able to detect the EXTREME SARCASM in my post.

Still, lesson learned. Wink emoji overload all the way in future.

Your comment, sarcasm or not, was completely unnecessary and goading. No need to put the gender ideology aspect on it at all.

GrumpyCatHasFleas · 13/05/2025 09:34

I’d say 12
as predators hang around in male toilets

Tbrh · 13/05/2025 09:33

Persianpaws · 13/05/2025 09:28

My friend is exactly the same with her 13 year old son, he is also autistic but more then capable of going into the men’s.

I stopped swimming with her but I won’t go anywhere with her now if she brings her son because he follows her into the ladies toilets and it’s caused arguments and comments on multiple occasions, he’s a big lad who looks much older.

I refuse to back her up and don’t agree with her encouraging him, he goes to the men’s at school and when he stays with his dad and he’s fine, my friend doesn’t see that she’s upsetting multiple women and girls for the sake of her son, our friendship has almost ended over this.

I think this is where some “gender neutral” (ridiculous phrase) spaces would be beneficial, it would be very helpful for disabled adults needing help with changing and personal care or who need to have a support worker of the opposite sex entering single sex facilities.

Not to derail, but why can't he used the disabled?

Tetchypants · 13/05/2025 09:32

The cut off is when they’re old enough to have the nous to understand potential danger, and scream/run if they need to.

BethDuttonYeHaw · 13/05/2025 09:31

5 is fine

7 is getting a bit too old

Butchyrestingface · 13/05/2025 09:31

Simplynotsimple · 13/05/2025 09:26

I’ll take ‘Things That Never Happened’ for 500…

A 5 year old needs supervision, absolutely fine in the womens changing rooms.

A shame that things have reached such a pass apparently only one person was able to detect the EXTREME SARCASM in my post.

Still, lesson learned. Wink emoji overload all the way in future.

ZiggyPlaysGuitarrr · 13/05/2025 09:31

A 5 year old should definitely be using the toilet of whichever parent they're with. I'd agree with others that 8 is about right for going on their own bits it depends on the child and the place. For example mine would use their own sex toilets at our David Lloyd club or small local restaurants from 5 or 6, but accompany me or DH into the toilets at motorway services until 8 or 9.

latetothefisting · 13/05/2025 09:31

purpleme12 · 13/05/2025 09:01

I would think 5 years old is ok
Does he look older than he is maybe?

My mate's just turned 13 year old boy still goes in the lad women's changing rooms at swimming (in his own cubicle) as he doesn't feel comfortable in the men's on his own yet. He's (high functioning) autistic -if that makes any difference - but I often think about discussions on here about it

Yeah I don't think this is appropriate sorry.
There are other options that don't involve just saying fuck you to all women at the expense of one male -the disabled facility, changing at home, only going swimming when a male friend or family member can go with him, going to a pool with village style changing even if it means being a bit further away....

It doesn't matter if he's in a cubicle, he still has to walk through the rest of the female changing room.

8 has been the guideline most places for a reason. I'd say about ten should be a hard cut off.

Missywelliot · 13/05/2025 09:30

Of course it's fine. Secondary age is the cut off.

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