Nigel Farage

Ive actually met NF through my work, he is actually a very nice guy. Well mannered, considerate and easy to talk to. I have also met KS through work and he is the complete opposite…offhand, rude and arrogant.

The IB article pointedly remarks that there is the possibility of misleading presentation in the story about the Copthorpe Hotel and that no evidence of widespread abuse of privilege in asylum hotels exists.

One migrant can brag about anything on TT. No attempt at journalistic or scholarly integrity whatsoever. Besides, I cannot recall anyone on this thread claiming that asylum seekers are pure as the driven snow. If that’s wrong, cite the relevant posts

I think multiple reports from serious sources trump a Sun video somehow.

This is a bit different

https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/outrage-video-uk-migrant-hotel-shows-four-poster-beds-video-games-booze-drug-use-1739655

and this one

Evidence for conditions in asylum hotels is everywhere. Some results are

Food experiences of people seeking asylum in London, trustforlondon.org.uk, undated

Rotten food given to asylum seekers charity finds, bbc.co.uk, 12/03/2024

Shared rooms, rancid food, no clothes: new report lays bare shocking conditions of those seeking refuge in the UK, Guardian, 22/04/2023

Conditions in Reception Facilities United Kingdom, asylumineurope.org, undated (since 11/2024)

Suffering and squalor: the impact on mental health of living in hotel asylum accommodation, The Helen Bamber Foundation, 20/06/2024

Heartbreak Hotel, Refugee Action, undated

Successive governments for years have been trying to find ways to prevent migrants entering the UK illegally. I'd be interested in suggestions from posters as to how they should do it.

It is one of the great questions of the day. Seriously.

I'm actually asking.

They are ignorant, stupid fools.

End of.

People vote Farage in protest against an electoral system which is designed to ensure that one of two shit parties gets in and gets to be shit for the next five years until they eventually get so shit that we have to vote the other lot in so they get a chance to show how shit they also are.

I get it, even if I also think that anyone who thinks the answer is Nigel Farage must be quite the dimwit.

I'm sure the government would welcome your views on how to stop it. So would I - can you elaborate?

Yes good point.

So these immigrants are arriving on boats and then what? Claiming asylum and getting house in a hotel? I don't suppose they're calling themselves economic migrants are they?

HMG cannot distinguish until claims are properly assessed. How can you?

I'm talking about the illegal economic migration. Not actual asylum seekers.

Can anyone please explain to me why the government allows such illegal immigration? How are they benefitting from it?
Is it a long play - get people in and documented to plug the gaps our own low birth rate will inevitably leave?
Just why is it allowed to happen?

Be as pedantic as you like. It ought to be obvious that the core of my statement was that food banks do not restrict the distribution of toiletries to asylum seekers. Anyone qualified by poverty is equally welcome to them.

Your statement attempting to catch me out validates this.

BTW my only difficulty in providing you sources as requested above is in limiting the number. They are coming soon. But I feel sure you expected no less

Not at all - there have been numerous and varied campaigns by government to encourage pensioners to make sure they're getting everything they're entitled to. Mse and Moneybox on R4 frequently have segments on the subject, as do the money pages of the press (especially the DM 😁). After winter fuel payments were discontinued last year there was a concerted effort by govt to encourage people to apply for extra benefits like pension credit. There was an uptick in applications at that point. Social care also encourage people to apply for added benefits - DMum found out she was entitled to attendance allowances and was helped to complete the forms by a district nurse.
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That is not quite correct.

The foodbank in my town will only supply asylum seekers with toiletries if they can prove their status.
Other people need to have a letter from their Social Worker/Health Visitor or GP to say they are "needy".

They certainly don't provide them to "everybody" as you claim.

Well food banks are charities. Those providing toiletries would provide them to everyone. This has nothing to do with being an asylum seeker.

Asylum hotels may provide shampoo and shower gel or soap. According to testimony at committees.parliament.uk they seldom provide both. Luxuries such as deodorant, toothpaste, dental floss or similar, emollient cream, SPF, etc are well beyond the scope of provision.

@poetryandwine "That was before they were rejigged for asylum seekers which involves lower hygiene standards, truly awful catering standards - when food is provided "

And your evidence for that is?

@Ratafia "They aren't criminals"

If they have entered the country illegally they are criminals

"If granted asylum, they will undoubtedly be working and paying plenty into the system" Not if they can't speak English.

"Most pensioners have occupational pensions, and additionally are free to work"

Only 47% of pensioners have occupational pensions. Yes, they can work but only if they are well enough.
Some started work at 15 and don't want to work any longer, certainly not until 66.

Yes,
So some generous people are paying twice.
Once in taxes to house and feed these people and again via foodbanks

So that tells me that no-one is telling these Seniors their rights, whereas as soon as migrants arrive in UK they are told very clearly what they can claim. Or maybe the traffickers clue them up on what they can get?

"Two tier" assistance it seems with our own citizens at the back of the queue.

Yvette Cooper has already gone on record as saying that the needs of asylum seekers come before the needs of our own citizens.

They’re free in foodbanks because they’ve been donated.

They are free in some hotels and also at foodbanks