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Nigel Farage

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Maddie05 · 13/05/2025 00:58

Why do people vote for Reform and in particular Nigel Farage?

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themoonandtenbob · 02/09/2025 17:47

ForWittyTealOP · 02/09/2025 16:56

If you knew anything at all about the UK benefits system, including LHA, you wouldn't say that people come here for "our" benefits system because you'd realise how ridiculous that is.

https://metro.co.uk/2025/08/29/four-star-hilton-hotel-west-london-now-housing-asylum-seekers-fears-isnt-keeping-area-24028518/

Four-star west London Hilton is latest migrant hotel - here's what locals think

https://metro.co.uk/2025/08/29/four-star-hilton-hotel-west-london-now-housing-asylum-seekers-fears-isnt-keeping-area-24028518/

poetryandwine · 02/09/2025 17:02

themoonandtenbob · 02/09/2025 15:39

@blossomtoes "I’m very glad my country conforms with international law, it makes the UK population safe."

Safe ? My fat aunt !

https://www.migrationcentral.co.uk/p/up-to-third-of-sexual-assaults-committed

Migration Central has a Substack. It has a section called ‘About’ which explains that the Migration Central publications are produced by the Centre for Migration Control.

The Centre for Migration Control consists largely or wholly of one man, the Reform activist Robert Bates.

ForWittyTealOP · 02/09/2025 17:01

themoonandtenbob · 02/09/2025 15:39

@blossomtoes "I’m very glad my country conforms with international law, it makes the UK population safe."

Safe ? My fat aunt !

https://www.migrationcentral.co.uk/p/up-to-third-of-sexual-assaults-committed

That "research" is from an anti migrant think-tank run by a Reform activist. In practice, police don't record migrant status of offenders in that way; they record nationality which is a different thing. Also, the research has been rebutted - this, as I'm sure you will scornfully see, is from the Guardian last month.

Are foreign nationals responsible for 40% of sexual crime in London?
Conservative Robert Jenrick, the shadow justice secretary, said on Radio 4’s Today programme on Monday that 40% of sexual crimes in London last year were committed by foreign nationals.
The claim was sourced from the Centre for Migration Control (CMC), a thinktank and blog that describes its purpose as “controlling and reducing migration to Britain”. It is run by the Reform UK activist Robert Bates.
CMC’s claims come from the Metropolitan police’s response to a freedom of information request. The Met issued a breakdown of the number of people who had been proceeded against – ie brought before a court – for sexual offences by nationality. This does not mean they have been found guilty of committing the offence as Jenrick said. For example, there were 14,242 defendants brought to court for sexual offences at magistrates courts in England and Wales in 2024, but 8,098 convictions, according to Ministry of Justice statistics.

“Some of the data we’re seeing is very striking,” Jenrick also said. “Afghans and Eritrean nationals are 20 times more likely to be convicted of a sexual crime than a British national.” The statistic about Afghans has been repeated by Reform UK’s chair, Zia Yusuf.
This is a muddled figure that also came from the CMC, after it submitted freedom of information requests to the MoJ. It is based on population statistics from 2021 but data on offences covering the years between 2021 and 2023. That means the statistic is likely to be based on a significant underestimate of the number of Afghan and Eritrean nationals in the UK – meaning the comparison with British rates is unlikely to be 20 times as high. Immigration to the UK from Afghanistan has risen significantly since 2021 because of the Taliban’s return to power, while Eritrean migration has also risen due to wars in Eritrea, Sudan and Ethiopia.
The Guardian contacted Jenrick for comment.

Up to 47% of sexual offence charges in London last year were foreign nationals

In 2024 between 40% and 47% of those charged for sexual offences were foreign nationals - despite them accounting for just a quarter of the capital's population.

https://www.migrationcentral.co.uk/p/up-to-47-of-sexual-offence-charges

ForWittyTealOP · 02/09/2025 16:56

themoonandtenbob · 02/09/2025 13:08

@suitcasesarepacked "I also come from a country where lots of people fled persecution. I, however, had a British passport so was spared the trauma of boat crossings."

Uganda?

If you had a British Passport then that gives you certain rights such as the right to live, study and work freely, access to healthcare etc.

Unlike some that come here because they like our benefits and other "freebies".

If you knew anything at all about the UK benefits system, including LHA, you wouldn't say that people come here for "our" benefits system because you'd realise how ridiculous that is.

ForWittyTealOP · 02/09/2025 16:53

suitcasesarepacked · 02/09/2025 12:03

@themoonandtenbob

Because the right to seek asylum is protected under international law and states are required to provide a fair process to seek asylum. Countries are not allowed to criminalise the act of seeking asylum - this is illegal.

Because the countries in closest proximity to a country where innocent humans are being persecuted shouldn’t be expected to shoulder the full burden of providing refuge.

So Loughton’s question revealed that the UK does not make it possible for people to seek asylum via conventional routes and that politics tries to paint those who arrive unconventionally as criminals. (Incidentally, it’s illegal to deny asylum because the route was unconventional).

These laws exist - not to make your British life difficult, but to ensure every human in this earth can seek safety when they need to. Including you and your family. You feel safe now, but there may be a time when you unexpectedly shockingly horrifically need it … and the laws are there for YOU too.

If these laws are ignored because of Faragist racism, then we all are compromised.

I'm always puzzled by people asking why asylum seekers should pass through "safe" countries to come to the UK because brought to its logical conclusion, that argument says the UK should not take in any asylum seekers since we're an island. Either people don't realise that or they don't want to admit that's what they really want.

Boomer55 · 02/09/2025 16:49

Simple. He’s saying what people want to hear. Most have lost confidence in the main parties, as they are just so clueless and hopeless.

He's an opportunist, but he talks the talk, which is why Reform are 20% ahead in the polls. 🤷‍♀️

Sunshineandblueskysalltheway · 02/09/2025 16:43

themoonandtenbob · 31/08/2025 08:51

So you're happy paying £5 million a day to keep these migrants in idle luxury?

Well, some of us aren't 😡

Can you describe the luxurious aspects of how migrants are living?

Sunshineandblueskysalltheway · 02/09/2025 16:11

'So how do you explain the BAME and women that think that he is so great?'

It's a version of being a 'pick me'. Most people capitulate before the dictatorship even comes to power. They submit believing that if they attain proximity to whiteness and misogyny and show themselves to be agreeable they will not only survive but benefit themselves.

Alexandra2001 · 02/09/2025 15:54

themoonandtenbob · 02/09/2025 15:51

Don't you read any of my posts?

I run a healthcare business in the Private Sector - you know the Private Sector that pays taxes for this Socialist Government to squander

Or the private health sector that provides services to the socialist NHS and rips off said socialist govt?

themoonandtenbob · 02/09/2025 15:51

InsectsMatter · 02/09/2025 15:46

Type your query into Ai OP, or spend half an hour on X.

But you won’t, you’re just being goady.

Do you work in the public sector?

Don't you read any of my posts?

I run a healthcare business in the Private Sector - you know the Private Sector that pays taxes for this Socialist Government to squander

themoonandtenbob · 02/09/2025 15:48

HangryLikeTheHulk · 02/09/2025 15:42

Quoting “research” by an incredibly shady source there…

Oh great - if you don't like the message rubbish the source - OK.

So the Pakistani Muslim Rape Gangs that the establishment tried to cover up were just figments of some slutty girls' imagination?

Misogeny rules OK it seems.

BIossomtoes · 02/09/2025 15:46

HangryLikeTheHulk · 02/09/2025 15:42

Quoting “research” by an incredibly shady source there…

Dodgy sources don’t convince me @themoonandtenbob.

InsectsMatter · 02/09/2025 15:46

Type your query into Ai OP, or spend half an hour on X.

But you won’t, you’re just being goady.

Do you work in the public sector?

HangryLikeTheHulk · 02/09/2025 15:42

themoonandtenbob · 02/09/2025 15:39

@blossomtoes "I’m very glad my country conforms with international law, it makes the UK population safe."

Safe ? My fat aunt !

https://www.migrationcentral.co.uk/p/up-to-third-of-sexual-assaults-committed

Quoting “research” by an incredibly shady source there…

BIossomtoes · 02/09/2025 15:32

Poland, Hungary and Slovakia don't entertain migrants so why should we ??

Because they want to cherry pick the elements of EU membership that suit them. The rest of the Union is highly pissed off with them. I’m very glad my country conforms with international law, it makes the UK population safe.

themoonandtenbob · 02/09/2025 15:25

@suitcasesarepacked "But it dawned on me you don’t really understand asylum, which is why Farage appeals to you. I’m sorry, but he’s getting a lot of mileage out of your ignorance"

I'll tell you what I do understand.

As a UK citizen and business owner I have been taxed up to the gills by this crappy government I can't afford to employ people any more because of the increases in NI and the Min Wage. (So much for all the crap about "not taxing working people"
I'm not living in a swanky house or driving a flash car but I'm paying my way (just)

So, I take strong exception to paying out any more of my hard-earned cash so the world-and-his-dog can freeload here. We have enough home-grown spongers without importing any more

Furthermore, I couldn't give two flying bollocks about International Law that seems to be loaded in favour of non-natives.

Poland, Hungary and Slovakia don't entertain migrants so why should we ??

suitcasesarepacked · 02/09/2025 13:25

@themoonandtenbob

No, not Uganda. And while I had those rights, the rest of my family did not. But I assume you would think they’re after feeebies and handouts, not driven to seek safety in a country where I - their family - lived.

I believe (but not sure) that 50% of asylum applicants are successful on first application. Bearing in mind that because there are no conventional routes (proven by Priti Patal) all of these applicants would have been forced to apply after coming here unconventionally.

Of the remaining 50% who are refused, 50% of them successfully appeal. So it’s a minority who are here without legal rights to be here - and those will be denied the right to stay.

But it dawned on me you don’t really understand asylum, which is why Farage appeals to you. I’m sorry, but he’s getting a lot of mileage out of your ignorance.

SeaShellsSanctuary1 · 02/09/2025 13:16

Southern25 · 29/08/2025 22:24

But Trump does what he says he says he is going to do. You say Farage is like Trump and just says what people want to hear.
But Trump says what people want to hear but follows it through.
So if Farage had a mandate and was democratically voted in , he could in theory carry out what he promises.

Absolutely garbage. Trump says things then when it's time to deliver he back tracks in record time.

And Farage would just be a TEMU version of Trump

themoonandtenbob · 02/09/2025 13:08

@suitcasesarepacked "I also come from a country where lots of people fled persecution. I, however, had a British passport so was spared the trauma of boat crossings."

Uganda?

If you had a British Passport then that gives you certain rights such as the right to live, study and work freely, access to healthcare etc.

Unlike some that come here because they like our benefits and other "freebies".

suitcasesarepacked · 02/09/2025 12:49

Are you getting asylum and immigration mixed up? They are very different things.

suitcasesarepacked · 02/09/2025 12:47

themoonandtenbob · 02/09/2025 12:36

I'm just following your argument.

People coming here from France, by your reasoning, have no right to asylum because they are not fleeing war and persecution in France. or anywhere in Europe.

Incidentally, how many asylum seekers have you taken into your home?

If you’re going to be that literal then why stop there. Why not indignantly mention the French Revolution is over? 🤣

People coming from France NOW do not have a right to asylum unless they can make a case for persecution which might be tough.

A bit different during the French Revolution … which was a hypothetical point, not literal.

Very different if your’re coming from Gaza today.

I haven’t taken any asylum seekers into my home, but I don’t begrudge paying towards supporting them.

I also come from a country where lots of people fled persecution. I, however, had a British passport so was spared the trauma of boat crossings.

You would REALLY hate me.

Or maybe not; I’m white and speak English as my first language. That might be relevant.

themoonandtenbob · 02/09/2025 12:36

suitcasesarepacked · 02/09/2025 12:32

No I’m not saying that. If you think I am then it’s you who is being ridiculous.

I'm just following your argument.

People coming here from France, by your reasoning, have no right to asylum because they are not fleeing war and persecution in France. or anywhere in Europe.

Incidentally, how many asylum seekers have you taken into your home?

suitcasesarepacked · 02/09/2025 12:32

themoonandtenbob · 02/09/2025 12:25

@suitcasesarepacked "Because the right to seek asylum is protected under international law and states are required to provide a fair process to seek asylum."

Asylum is protection or safety, especially for people who have left their own countries for their safety or because of war.

Are you telling me that those crossing the channel are fleeing war & persecution in France? Don't be ridiculous.

No I’m not saying that. If you think I am then it’s you who is being ridiculous.