To have not known kids have to attain grade 4 in maths?

That poster is totally wrong about the pass rate. It's far higher than that.

You may be thinking of the higher paper which doesn’t have the easier questions on it. Grade 4 on a foundation paper will be a significantly higher percentage.

At least i am finding other parents of GCSE resit students. Given the lack of response to my thread on Further Education I was beginning to think I was the only one .
We gave up on English and did functional skills independently.
This is last ditch at the maths, hoping if DD can cope to roll into FS straight after the GCSE to give a chance of passing one.

Give over yourself.

My DD just cannot get to grips with maths and I will be ECSTATIC and hanging out bunting and doing a street conga if she scrapes a 4. And – horror of horrors – she's doing the Foundation paper too. Yes she has anxiety, but that doesn't affect her ability to calculate. She just can't grasp numbers. Not every kid can.

Unfortunately some children do struggle. Including my very capable, bright,hard working daughter. She’s on her 3rd try this year. It won’t stop her achieving her goals but will be a pain in the arse to navigate. It’s likely she has dyscalculia and dyslexia. Doesn’t mean they will struggle in life.

40% of people sitting GCSE maths last year didn’t get a 4.

You tend to need around half marks on Eng Lang iirc, but it is board dependent and year dependent. There is no 'pass mark'. They set the exams, see the scores, and then decide where to make the grade boundaries.

Does anyone know the pass mark for English please? My child will do well in maths (predicted an 8) but gets 3’s or just a 4 in the English mocks and despite lots of revision I’m not confident of a 4. Especially as todays kit exam is being hailed as perfect etc so grade boundaries will probably be quite high!

I wonder how you will achieve this ?
my daughter failed maths despite a good maths teacher, a supportive family who recognise the importance of education and private maths tuition.
She passed everything else with flying colours.
I just hope she passes this time in her 1st year of college because its a millstone around her neck.
I think a functional skills test is a very good idea.

My two have ASD and neither managed a 4, one managed a 3 and the other a 1.
But they survived, work, one drives a car and both manage to navigate the world. Everyone is different, what is easy for one child is impossible for another. If your child finds education easy be thankful, not smug!

It's so obvious the whole system was designed by people who think like this. The less academic kids, who need all the help they can get, should be at least be double entered in functional skills at 16 IMO, rather than being set up to "fail" their most important baseline qualification.

Yup. My dd is 22, she's in college doing construction. She's been redoing her Maths since she first sat it in 2019! She's dyslexic and honestly I don't think she's ever going to get about the grade 2 that's she's being consistently getting since 2019.

It is compulsory and some college's don't offer functional skills, my friends daughter has had this problem with English. As the college she is at doesn't do functional skills.

I do think that if they fail it a second time then functional skills is a better option. But it depends on the college you are at. And yes they do resist it alongside what ever course they are doing. It doesn't stop them doing a course but they wouldn't be able to do A-levels.

It doesn't make the posters look.very bright themselves if they don't understand everyone is different and some struggle academically,does it?

Thank you for the clear and concise explanation.

Another “my children are so clever” poster. This smuggery and faux not understanding why all parents aren’t as good at producing such good offspring really is tiresome.

Given no matter what 1/3 won’t pass maths and a 1/3 won’t pass English pretty high

a 9 shows that (like my eldest) he is naturally gifted at maths. Mine has done no maths revision at all (and won’t) and still gets 98% on calculator papers because it makes sense to her. Like it does me and DH. Becuase we are lucky.

Well.clearly you have a very bright son ,
So how can you not know that not all children we be equally as bright and some may indeed struggle to get a four ?

Sadly I do know. I have a dyslexic teen sitting her GCSEs this year. Maths and English are her weakest subjects.

I've been helping her revise for her Eng exams and looking through her books (and presumably her exam will be the same too) is a not a fair reflection of her intelligence or strengths. She reads well, is articulate, is confident speaking before her peers and adults, great at science. I could go on.

30% of our children will fail, there's not even a pass mark - how is that fair?

Finland have it right, no exams, just a grading from the teachers who know the children over the course of a year or two.

Barring extreme learning difficulties and SEN how hard is it to get a 4 and to scrape a pass?

Like honestly.

My DS got a 9 the first year they ever did 9-1 for maths.

They keep trying and learning and perhaps take functional skills at some point to get a level 2 equivalent. I work with unemployed people and at any age I would encourage studying maths and English if they don't have a grade 4 equivalent. If they do have severe special needs then obviously this is different.

Extra help given here in bucket loads since y4, not sure what more we or he could be doing. Reality is that he will very likely not get a 4. Still,
enjoy your smug superiority, it may or may not do any good.

Foundation tier, pass score percentage is around 55-60%. Higher tier it is ?18-25%?.

Pass rate is set at ~65-70%, ie around 1/3rd are doomed to fail before they even pick up their pen.

OK, I can’t edit my post so can everyone stop telling me that the pass mark/percenrage for foundational maths is higher than I said?! Apologies for my error, but I don’t need it pointing out multiple times!

Well.good luck with that luck
unfortunately my now 18 year old nearly died when he was in year 11 and missed an entire half term of school due to.being in intensive care
so funnily enough I was rather more concerned about my sons recovery than him.getting the required grades fours he's still.trying to play catch up now.