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FairPlayer274 · 12/05/2025 16:27

DD is a month shy of 4, and we’re flying into California for a hiking/camping trip. The flight is 5 hours, and we booked the cheapest one we could. Naturally, the space between rows of seating are insanely small (that’s what I get for scrimping, I suppose), and DD is at an awkward height where the edge of the seat is hitting her upper/mid calf, so her feet are forced outwards if she’s not sitting closer to the edge so that her knees can bend (if that makes sense?) She’s also inherited my boat feet, so the ends of her shoes are literally a couple centimeters from the seat in front of her.

She was having a hard time getting comfortable in her seat for take off, and every time she went to adjust herself, her feet moved and touched the seat in front of her. Not like, intentionally full force kicking the seat or anything (which I’ve definitely experienced in the past. I’m not sure a car seat would have helped with distancing her from it, either.) She also just fidgets a lot because, y’know, she’s a child. The woman sitting in it (I’m thinking she had to be in her late 40s, maybe 50s) turned around and directly told my daughter to stop kicking her seat. I reiterated to DD to sit still and try to keep her feet to herself.

She was struggling to do that, so I tried to have her lie down with her feet on my lap (it’s an early flight; she should be sleeping anyhow), but the flight attendant came by to say she needed to be sitting upright and facing forward for take off, so I put her back to where she was. A few minutes later, the woman turns around again and loudly snaps (almost shouting) “Stop kicking my seat! This is the last time I’m telling you!” Which, idk seems kind of like a threat ? I certainly would have spoken to the parent, not the child, and used different words, or involved the flight attendant if I was so bothered by something s/he was doing. And I know it’s certainly annoying to have someone touching your seat, and I was (audibly, I think) doing my best to keep that from happening. I apologized to the woman and kept trying to keep DD still.

A few minutes go by, and we’re about to start taxiing to the runway, and DD starts whining that she’s thirsty. (Me being a dummy dumb dumb, I left our drinks from the airport in the carry on I stowed) I told her they’ll bring us something to drink in a bit, once we’re in the air. I honestly think DD was being pretty patient, but she is tired, and started to cry after a while. (Full tears, definitely noisy, but not like, throwing a fit or anything.) I was desperately trying to get her headphones synched to my phone and a YouTube video pulled up in order to distract her. The fidgeting continued, of course.

The woman in front of us (WIFOU) started cursing in both English and Spanish (not turned around again, but definitely directed at us), saying things like “Shut the fuck up!”, “Son of a bitch! Make her stop!” “ And “I’m about to fucking develop Tourette’s!” Which I was aghast to hear in a cabin with lots of children in earshot, and also thought was pretty insensitive to people who actually have Tourette’s.. Her partner made comments about how it’s going to be a long flight and they weren’t going to get any sleep.

The swearing only made DD cry more. I didn’t say anything to them, but just kept working on quieting her down. Used bribes snacks, threats consequences, distractions, and promises, and eventually succeeded. Course, soon as mine stopped, another child started having a tantrum behind us. This elicited “Knock that thing out with some fucking drugs!” from WIFOU. I was surprised the flight attendant (FA) didn’t say anything to her about it. I thought, maybe she should be the one knocking herself out with drugs, but kept that to myself.

By twenty minutes into the flight, WIFOU and her partner had asked three times to be moved, but the only available seats were “upgraded” to be more comfortable and spacious, and cost an additional £60 each, and they refused to pay. The third time, the FA checked in with DD and I and gave me an obligatory “Can you have her stop kicking? I know she’s a child…” I told her “We’re trying,” and she nodded understandingly and went back to her duties.

The fourth time they asked to be moved/upgraded, they were getting irate. FA looked embarrassed to have to insist they pay for the better seats. I interjected and suggested that the couple switch rows with DD and I, so that at least she wouldn’t be behind them. This irritated the people sitting in the aisle seats, who had to get up to allow us to shuffle around, but it at least stopped their complaining. I was worried DD was going to piss off our new neighbors ahead, but thankfully it was a little boy sitting in front of DD, and he didn’t seem to notice
DD’s wiggling about… I finally just got her to sleep, 2.5 hours in.

I think next time we will either cough up the funds for more spacious seating or just fly via a different airline… But honestly, I see airplanes as just another form of public transportation that’s gonna have crying and fidgety kids on it, with parents ranging from desperately trying to keep their littles polite and unassuming, to entitled parents who think it’s their kids’ right to run wild and do as they please... If I didn’t want to hear or feel them, I’d probably wear my hearing protection I use for my job, and purchase the seat behind me. Usually I just put up with it, since I empathize. I don’t think children should have to miss out on traveling before they’re fully developed, either.

What’s your opinion?

OP posts:
MagdaLenor · 12/05/2025 18:15

TryingToBeHelpful267 · 12/05/2025 18:10

I haven’t flown in years, the last time was 2018 with my then 2 year old and she was naturally difficult and everyone was lovely. It seems as though these days everyone on aeroplanes are awful. I think you did amazing to not get up and give her a mouthful because I don’t think I could hear someone speaking about my child like that and not get up and become vicious.

Everyone on aeroplanes isn't awful. No-one wants to have their seat kicked by a child who not only can't self manage, but can't be managed by the parents either.
We've all put up with minor stuff, but that's really not acceptable.

Ellmau · 12/05/2025 18:15

She should not have sworn but you should not have let your DD kick the seat.

It might have been a good idea to offer to swap seats after the first incident.

fuzzwuss · 12/05/2025 18:14

The passenger in front of you sounds completely crazy, although she did sort of have a point before she went psycho. Did you not bring a seat cushion for dd, one of those wedge things, or ask for a cushion for her to sit so that she was more comfortable? Why was she wriggling around so much? Sorry, I can't believe that you didn't take off her shoes or have anything organised to distract her or even have a drink. In the nicest possible way, you could have prepared better. BTW you could have called the stewardess for some water, they will bring you some even if the seatbelt signs are on if it is for a child or for medication.

MagdaLenor · 12/05/2025 18:13

Bumblebeestiltskin · 12/05/2025 18:10

Or maybe accept that your daughter isn't ready for flights of that length? And/or you're not prepared to handle her behaviour on flights of that length?

I'm sure it depends on the child, but I didn't feel my DD could cope with 5+ hour flights till she was 7, so we didn't go anywhere that required them! She's great on flights now, both short-haul and long-haul, and no she's not a perfect kid and no I'm not a perfect parent, but she hasn't tried to kick the seat in front since she was a toddler (and I told her no and she stopped doing it).

Good points

MayaPinion · 12/05/2025 18:13

Good lesson for you there, OP. Be prepared next time - that means shoes off, drinks, snacks, and activities, at the ready.

BreadInCaptivity · 12/05/2025 18:10

Changeyourlifes · 12/05/2025 18:00

I think everyone here was badly behaved including you and your daughter.

Your posts here give off an attitude that people have to bend to your lifestyle choices. It’s a bit odd. Ultimately no one forced you to bring your child on that plane, and you managed to cause a lot of disruption.

Children definitely shouldn’t be repeatedly kicking seats and the fact you had to be asked to intervene on several occasions is indicative of poor parenting. The fact you think everyone else should just deal with it whilst you’re faffing with headphones and YouTube is ridiculous. On this flight you crossed paths with someone who gave you a taste of your own medicine. She didn’t back down and neither did you. You both had main character syndrome

There’s a lot you could have done before the flight, such as getting your child tired before the flight so she would sleep faster, making sure she was comfortable (would a pillow or cushion have helped her? Blanket over her feet? Etc). Even just checking the dimensions of the seats vs her legs would have alerted you to a potential issue with her height sooner. It’s your job as a parent to search out that information to ensure your child is comfortable more than anything, instead you just went cheapest possible option without thinking through the reality & the consequences. I feel sorry for your child.

I think that is a pretty fair summary.

A per my pp we’ve flown with the DC’s at that age and never had this issue.

Put simply we were just very well prepared and the DC’s had learned that no, meant no.

I’m not sure about anyone else but the more the OP posts I’m just imagining an all to familiar scenario of so called gentle parenting (so called because it gets a bad rap as done properly boundaries are made clear) where the parents just ineffectually mutter “oh please don’t do x darling” or “please can you do x for mummy” on repeat without actually doing anything practical to address the behaviour.

Bumblebeestiltskin · 12/05/2025 18:10

FairPlayer274 · 12/05/2025 17:41

I already said next time we’ll get the bigger seats or fly a different airline. The seating wasn’t t this bad the last time we flew.

I’m not speaking ill of her for not wanting to pay for the upgrade, but rather for her language around children. She didn’t need to curse, suggest drugging them, or refer to them as “things”

It’s not like parents can really move their children from their seats if they’re being bothersome, either. At least on a bus or a train, there’s usually open seats, and you can get off at the next stop if the situation is untenable. Or like, in movie theatres or restaurants, you can carry them out if they’re misbehaving. It’s not like that on a plane

Or maybe accept that your daughter isn't ready for flights of that length? And/or you're not prepared to handle her behaviour on flights of that length?

I'm sure it depends on the child, but I didn't feel my DD could cope with 5+ hour flights till she was 7, so we didn't go anywhere that required them! She's great on flights now, both short-haul and long-haul, and no she's not a perfect kid and no I'm not a perfect parent, but she hasn't tried to kick the seat in front since she was a toddler (and I told her no and she stopped doing it).

Lentilweaver · 12/05/2025 18:10

We used to take 12 hour flights to see family overseas. I did not allow my kids to kick the seat and I was prepared with snacks, drinks, entertainment etc.

That said, she was excessively rude.

TryingToBeHelpful267 · 12/05/2025 18:10

I haven’t flown in years, the last time was 2018 with my then 2 year old and she was naturally difficult and everyone was lovely. It seems as though these days everyone on aeroplanes are awful. I think you did amazing to not get up and give her a mouthful because I don’t think I could hear someone speaking about my child like that and not get up and become vicious.

suburberphobe · 12/05/2025 18:08

^I hate children kicking my seat and I have never allowed my children to do it.
How did you get them not to?^

OFFS, Bring your kids up properly! It's not hard.

harriethoyle · 12/05/2025 18:07

@FairPlayer274 AIBU?

The vast majority of posters: Yes

OP: no I’m not I’m not because #insertrandomexcusehere

Other posters: you still are

OP: no I’m not!!

🙄 I can see where your daughter gets it from.

MaggiesShadow · 12/05/2025 18:07

Holiday24 · 12/05/2025 18:02

These things happen. Children are difficult sometimes (especially in confined spaces!) and you did your best to stop her.

What I've learnt through my life is that no matter how hard you try, you're always going to piss someone off. So I try my best to be kind to others, but if I do manage to annoy someone I apologise and move on. In return, I try to be patient and accommodating to others, even if they're slightly irritating. It makes life easier all round.

So, I guess what I'm saying is - don't dwell on it! You'll have learnt some lessons for next time, but the woman sounds like she's easily provoked so I wouldn't worry that you've upset her.

This is the crux of it, though. It doesn't seem that OP did her best to make it stop. It's very much giving a sense of entitlement and 'she's only a child'.

A four-year-old loudly crying, kicking seats, and refusing to sit still for even ten-minute increments isn't really acceptable. Nor is a child being unable to go a little while without a drink then wailing when it doesn't appear.

I am painfully aware of how difficult children can be sometimes. But a lack of preparation and willingness to be firm on the OP's part shouldn't mean an annoying, uncomfortable, loud, and irritating journey for everyone else.

I don't subscribe to the children should be seen and not heard camp, and I know they can't and won't always be still and silent, but we need to at least mitigate the damage they do!

LowDownBoyStandUpGuy · 12/05/2025 18:07

ExpressCheckout · 12/05/2025 17:10

@FairPlayer274 But honestly, I see airplanes as just another form of public transportation that’s gonna have crying and fidgety kids on it

Here in Europe generally aeroplanes are not seen as just another form of public transport and, for many people, a trip on a plane is the most expensive and stressful part of a long-sought holiday (vacation).

I've flown recently and I the only thing I was stressed about before the flight was that I might be sat near young children or badly behaved adults. In the end, it was fine, sat next to a nice young man 😂

Rightly or wrongly, kids on aircraft will always annoy people and so parents really do need to consider others when booking flights and paying for appropriate seating etc. Most do, but a big minority don't.

My DC are older and very well behaved on flights given that they are frequent fliers but at absolutely no point do I consider anyone else on a flight besides my own family when booking seats given that I am also paying and so will consider our comfort first. Children are a part of life and given that there don’t appear to be such things as child free flights yet then it’s something you just have to put up with.

Badly behaved drunk adults are a far bigger issue on flights than children.

IPM · 12/05/2025 18:06

FairPlayer274 · 12/05/2025 16:31

How did you get them not to?

I would've removed her shoes.

SENNeeds2 · 12/05/2025 18:05

the woman was a witch and the space in airplanes are ridiculously small.

but I think maybe on the flight back you might find it better to be prepared before take off. You are saying you could not keep her legs down with her hands because you were sorting snacks / entertainment etc with your hands. prep that sort of stuff before take off so you are left free to manage her legs when you are taxing down the runway.

We have twins who from the age of 6 months until about 10 years old would fly to and from UK to Oz in economy and not have a problem with kicking others seats - and now older they have both being diagnosed with ADHD. I think other posters are right - if you take her shoes off it will help alot.

LittleMG · 12/05/2025 18:04

I’m surprised how many people are just saying OP should stop the child, yeah like you’ve never said to your kid ‘stop that’ and they’ve ignored you. It happens to everyone however good your child is. It was very annoying and OP did come up with a good solution but any sympathy I had with woman in front evaporated the minute she started swearing. She was incredibly rude and plain nasty. Lots of holier than thou posts today.

Sunflower1650 · 12/05/2025 18:03

God, I think you’re having a hard time here OP.
Yes, it’s very irritating having a child kick your seat repeatedly, but this woman sounds awful.
I have a 6 and 2 year old, both ND. 6 year old fidgets constantly and it makes me really anxious to fly with him. Stories like this make it even worse.

TrixieFatell · 12/05/2025 18:02

She was a dick the way she responded. There was no need whatsoever for her to use the language she did. I agree she was just looking for a free upgrade.

It is annoying when a child kicks your seat but her response was way OTT

Holiday24 · 12/05/2025 18:02

These things happen. Children are difficult sometimes (especially in confined spaces!) and you did your best to stop her.

What I've learnt through my life is that no matter how hard you try, you're always going to piss someone off. So I try my best to be kind to others, but if I do manage to annoy someone I apologise and move on. In return, I try to be patient and accommodating to others, even if they're slightly irritating. It makes life easier all round.

So, I guess what I'm saying is - don't dwell on it! You'll have learnt some lessons for next time, but the woman sounds like she's easily provoked so I wouldn't worry that you've upset her.

Hoppinggreen · 12/05/2025 18:02

If never usually having to go without fluids makes a child spoiled, then sure, DD is spoiled.

Well its good that you admit it at least. If your NT 4 year old can't wait briefly for a drink then you have a problem with behavior and if you reaction to her behaviour is to justify it and blame others then you will have an even worse problem

RaspberryBeretxx · 12/05/2025 18:01

KarCat · 12/05/2025 16:39

I’m going to buck the trend and say that the passenger was absolutely out of order and sounds like a nasty bitch.
It’s so bloody stressful flying with kids anyway, other passengers being wankers makes it a thousand times worse.
Christ what happened to a bit of empathy?

This. It sounds really stressful situation and . I have a 4 yo dd who is generally an absolute angel but tired and in an unusual situation may have reacted similarly. They must have been able to tell you were doing as much as you could.

Maybe dd could have sat cross legged if that would have been allowed?

CleaningAngel · 12/05/2025 18:01

FairPlayer274 · 12/05/2025 16:27

DD is a month shy of 4, and we’re flying into California for a hiking/camping trip. The flight is 5 hours, and we booked the cheapest one we could. Naturally, the space between rows of seating are insanely small (that’s what I get for scrimping, I suppose), and DD is at an awkward height where the edge of the seat is hitting her upper/mid calf, so her feet are forced outwards if she’s not sitting closer to the edge so that her knees can bend (if that makes sense?) She’s also inherited my boat feet, so the ends of her shoes are literally a couple centimeters from the seat in front of her.

She was having a hard time getting comfortable in her seat for take off, and every time she went to adjust herself, her feet moved and touched the seat in front of her. Not like, intentionally full force kicking the seat or anything (which I’ve definitely experienced in the past. I’m not sure a car seat would have helped with distancing her from it, either.) She also just fidgets a lot because, y’know, she’s a child. The woman sitting in it (I’m thinking she had to be in her late 40s, maybe 50s) turned around and directly told my daughter to stop kicking her seat. I reiterated to DD to sit still and try to keep her feet to herself.

She was struggling to do that, so I tried to have her lie down with her feet on my lap (it’s an early flight; she should be sleeping anyhow), but the flight attendant came by to say she needed to be sitting upright and facing forward for take off, so I put her back to where she was. A few minutes later, the woman turns around again and loudly snaps (almost shouting) “Stop kicking my seat! This is the last time I’m telling you!” Which, idk seems kind of like a threat ? I certainly would have spoken to the parent, not the child, and used different words, or involved the flight attendant if I was so bothered by something s/he was doing. And I know it’s certainly annoying to have someone touching your seat, and I was (audibly, I think) doing my best to keep that from happening. I apologized to the woman and kept trying to keep DD still.

A few minutes go by, and we’re about to start taxiing to the runway, and DD starts whining that she’s thirsty. (Me being a dummy dumb dumb, I left our drinks from the airport in the carry on I stowed) I told her they’ll bring us something to drink in a bit, once we’re in the air. I honestly think DD was being pretty patient, but she is tired, and started to cry after a while. (Full tears, definitely noisy, but not like, throwing a fit or anything.) I was desperately trying to get her headphones synched to my phone and a YouTube video pulled up in order to distract her. The fidgeting continued, of course.

The woman in front of us (WIFOU) started cursing in both English and Spanish (not turned around again, but definitely directed at us), saying things like “Shut the fuck up!”, “Son of a bitch! Make her stop!” “ And “I’m about to fucking develop Tourette’s!” Which I was aghast to hear in a cabin with lots of children in earshot, and also thought was pretty insensitive to people who actually have Tourette’s.. Her partner made comments about how it’s going to be a long flight and they weren’t going to get any sleep.

The swearing only made DD cry more. I didn’t say anything to them, but just kept working on quieting her down. Used bribes snacks, threats consequences, distractions, and promises, and eventually succeeded. Course, soon as mine stopped, another child started having a tantrum behind us. This elicited “Knock that thing out with some fucking drugs!” from WIFOU. I was surprised the flight attendant (FA) didn’t say anything to her about it. I thought, maybe she should be the one knocking herself out with drugs, but kept that to myself.

By twenty minutes into the flight, WIFOU and her partner had asked three times to be moved, but the only available seats were “upgraded” to be more comfortable and spacious, and cost an additional £60 each, and they refused to pay. The third time, the FA checked in with DD and I and gave me an obligatory “Can you have her stop kicking? I know she’s a child…” I told her “We’re trying,” and she nodded understandingly and went back to her duties.

The fourth time they asked to be moved/upgraded, they were getting irate. FA looked embarrassed to have to insist they pay for the better seats. I interjected and suggested that the couple switch rows with DD and I, so that at least she wouldn’t be behind them. This irritated the people sitting in the aisle seats, who had to get up to allow us to shuffle around, but it at least stopped their complaining. I was worried DD was going to piss off our new neighbors ahead, but thankfully it was a little boy sitting in front of DD, and he didn’t seem to notice
DD’s wiggling about… I finally just got her to sleep, 2.5 hours in.

I think next time we will either cough up the funds for more spacious seating or just fly via a different airline… But honestly, I see airplanes as just another form of public transportation that’s gonna have crying and fidgety kids on it, with parents ranging from desperately trying to keep their littles polite and unassuming, to entitled parents who think it’s their kids’ right to run wild and do as they please... If I didn’t want to hear or feel them, I’d probably wear my hearing protection I use for my job, and purchase the seat behind me. Usually I just put up with it, since I empathize. I don’t think children should have to miss out on traveling before they’re fully developed, either.

What’s your opinion?

I have been that WIFOU and I have definitely told a child behind me to stop kicking my seat more than once and glared at the parents. It's bad manners

Ankther · 12/05/2025 18:01

At 4, she’s old enough to know that you have to be considerate of other people and not do things that will hurt and disturb them.

Changeyourlifes · 12/05/2025 18:00

I think everyone here was badly behaved including you and your daughter.

Your posts here give off an attitude that people have to bend to your lifestyle choices. It’s a bit odd. Ultimately no one forced you to bring your child on that plane, and you managed to cause a lot of disruption.

Children definitely shouldn’t be repeatedly kicking seats and the fact you had to be asked to intervene on several occasions is indicative of poor parenting. The fact you think everyone else should just deal with it whilst you’re faffing with headphones and YouTube is ridiculous. On this flight you crossed paths with someone who gave you a taste of your own medicine. She didn’t back down and neither did you. You both had main character syndrome

There’s a lot you could have done before the flight, such as getting your child tired before the flight so she would sleep faster, making sure she was comfortable (would a pillow or cushion have helped her? Blanket over her feet? Etc). Even just checking the dimensions of the seats vs her legs would have alerted you to a potential issue with her height sooner. It’s your job as a parent to search out that information to ensure your child is comfortable more than anything, instead you just went cheapest possible option without thinking through the reality & the consequences. I feel sorry for your child.

BreatheAndFocus · 12/05/2025 17:56

I hate children kicking the back of my seat! I always think wtf is wrong with their parents frankly.

Last time it was a boy of 6 or 7. He sat there with one leg crossed over the other knee kind of bouncing the upper leg so that every few seconds he kicked the back of my seat. It was incredibly annoying! I didn’t say anything but I turned and pointedly looked over the back of the seat and the father told the boy to keep his legs still because he was kicking my seat. Great, right? Except 5 minutes later the child was doing it again, while his father looked at his iPad. So I said something. I didn’t swear at all but I looked very fierce and addressed the child.

The time before that a girl of about 5 kicked the back of my seat so hard that I thought it was an adult deliberately kicking me. She was using the back of my seat as a kind of push off to push herself further back in her seat. She really dug her foot in and it was a massive jolt. This time I didn’t bother with a hard stare and stood up and asked her to stop in a loud voice.

I really don’t think you get how annoying it is, OP. It jolts, it shakes, it hurts and it’s unbearable for 5 minutes let alone 5 hours. If you can’t control your child, pay extra to sit in more spacious seats. But really, you need to be firmer. A 4yr old should understand you don’t kick people’s seats and they should also understand you need to wait for snacks and drinks until you’re in the air.

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