9 yr old told off for calling non-binary teacher Sir

Most schools have 'honesty' as a school value. You can't call an obvious male she/her and also be honest.

Sex matters for safeguarding. Children should not be taught to lie about obvious biological sex.

I could behind this. 😂

Screw material reality

It's not possible to be sexist when sex is binary, there are only two sexes and you referred to both of them.
Gender nonsense on the other hand is just that - complete and utter nonsense. Poor kid OP.

I've never witnessed that. I did have a colleague who swore that she had a girl identifying as a cat in her previous school. Staff ignored it; the mum bought the girl a cat collar.

Mind you, my best pall wore a collar in 1978. She was a punk rocker.

Quite. In the 1800s women were regarded as old by the age of 30 and wealthy women would often retire from active society at this age. Perhaps the current government should provide pensions to 30+ women who also identify as old at 30 , given this precedent of the fluidity and changeability of definitions of ageing?

The one time that I came across the situation where a teacher wanted to be 'Mx', the kids coped with the 'Mx' - it was the pronouns that defeated them. However, the male teachers there were all 'Sir', so I've not idea what happened when they were trying to catch the attention of the N-B teacher. As I've said in a previous post, he eventually went off with stress after repeated 'misgendering'.

Modelling such a lack of mental resilience over a normal and instinctive part of language doesn't seem great for the children but also being a teacher is probably the wrong job to do. One of the things that's really awful about gender ideology is the way it encourages people to see normal human behaviour as 'hate' to see conflict everywhere and to have a paranoid attitude towards other human beings. It's encouraging mental ill health.

And if he couldn't cope with 'misgendering' goodness only knows how he coped with all the other rubbish kids say about their teachers. I've overheard my DD talking with her friends about them! You need resilience and an ability to not take the things children/ teenagers say personally if you're going to be a teacher!

I'll add that it works the other way.

In my time, I've had four trans pupils. (One was while I was on supply and was still 'questioning' so I never did find out what her preferred pronouns were.)

All 4 were born girls. I've no idea what happened to the questioning girl, but the other three all identified as trans boys. (All three later detransitioned: one at school; two after they left.)

Staff did make an effort to call the pupils by their new names and pronouns, but - inevitably - slip-ups did happen. This is particularly the case where staff had known the pupils by their previous identity.

I've had staff mucking up both my forename and my surname - no one died as a result. My maiden forename was Eastern European - think of something like 'Jankovic'. That was mangled fairly frequently. My married name is a traditional Scottish surname, but people often have even more difficulty with it - think of something like 'Menzies'.

No misgendering, mispronunciation or mis-title has ever made me question my own identity.

Things can usually be summarised however.

It shouldnt be so complicated as to require thousands of words to express it.

Anyway, my thoughts above.

Yes because they are young! I mean if remembering on what to call a teacher is mental load something is very wrong!

Children usually adapt to this sort of stuff pretty easily

Adults shouldn't ask them to adapt to this stuff. Children should not be taught to deny the evidence of their eyes or have to remember that an adult wants them to support their internal belief that they are not the sex they actually are.

its wrong to require children to support their teachers personal belief systems, especially when it requires the children to lie to adults about who they can clearly see the teacher is.

That article does the classic bait and switch whereby it is sometimes talking about gender and sometimes talking about sex.

So it argues that our ideas about gender are not fixed, but have evolved through history. Fine, that's true. It does not however really argue against the essentialism of sex. It tries to let gender do the heavy lifting instead.

So basically, it tries to get round the materiality/immutabiluty m sex by arguing for our inner sense of gender being more important. But why wouldn't that apply to the other examples. Our 'inner' sense of species. Our 'inner' sense of age. Our 'inner' sense of ability, race?

it’s not unwarranted mental strain or compelled speach How is it not? Do you mean specifically because the child is nine?

They are still learning and developing. And?

Love it. This is all getting out of hand. Aren’t some kids turning up at schools identifying as cats? If this is all allowed to carry on society will implode

Because it’s a complex and nuance issue that needs a lot of typing and this way is easier! 🙂

Everything has gone too far now , if this is true I would be furious with the school. People like that should not be teaching IMHO!

there must be a hidden agenda because the teacher is non-binary.

You say this like it’s perfectly acceptable for a male teacher to tell his students that he is not really male but something else.

Trans ideology is not harmless fun with names, it is a sinister ideology that teaches children that in order to be happy if they don’t like the objects (clothes, toys etc) designated for their sex, they may have been born in the wrong body and face a lifetime of surgical interventions or suicide.

This is why I said that I don’t believe that the child should be disciplined. But honestly they are 9 - it’s not unwarranted mental strain or compelled speach in my opinion. They are still learning and developing.

If this is true, then - poor, poor children. What an utterly baffling world we are presenting them with. They must be so confused.

Adults who've constructed all this complexity should at the very least be understanding and patient with them. How on earth can primary school children who haven't yet reached puberty be expected to understand gender politics?

The world truly has gone mad.

Now I know that you're being ridiculous for the sake of it.

I'll read the link now, but I'm curious as to why, if you agree with it, you can't use your own words to express that?

I couldn’t eloquently put it - so I hope you don’t mind I have posted the link- www.bostonreview.net/articles/robin-dembroff-dee-payton-breaking-analogy-between-race-and-gender/

It’s entirely your business if benefit from children being unable to remember things but as a parent I’d be concerned.

You'd be concerned? Really?

I had secondary school pupils who were still calling me "Miss Weary" instead of "Mrs Weary" after I'd been teaching them for 3 months. It happens - particularly in a school where the vast majority of female teachers are "Miss".

Well most teacher gave been called sir miss mum dad at some point so as a one off you would not expect a "telling off"

So it is possible that this is deliberate way to try and antagonise the teacher either by this pupil or a group of pupils taking turns to call him sir, knowing that is not his preference

Another possibility is that he was told "do not refer to me as sir but as "x" thank you "but with a firm tone which the child regards as a "telling off"