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9 yr old told off for calling non-binary teacher Sir

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Nowherecitizen · 12/05/2025 13:09

My friend’s son was told off by a teacher at his school for referring to them as ‘Sir’. The teacher is male but identifies as non-binary.

Their title is Mx which the children are aware of. But the little boy simply looked at an adult who is visibly male and used the term Sir.

I have seen this teacher and they are 'masculine' looking but will sometimes wear a skirt and heels.

Friend’s DS felt bad and can’t recall exactly what was said to them but said the teacher was ‘very cross’.

AIBU to think this was mishandled? Surely the child should be reminded gently of the preferred identity of this adult but should not face a telling off?

What is the non-binary version of Sir anyway?

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MyKingdomForACat · 12/05/2025 13:43

Man in a skirt is a sir. It’s not a 9 year old’s fault or responsibility. World’s gone fucking mad

Nowherecitizen · 12/05/2025 13:42

Hmmm but children should be taught respect from an early age shouldn’t they @GutsyScroller ? Shouldn’t they be mindful of feelings, even if they’re of an adult? I do they they need to cut the pupils some slack.

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GargoylesofBeelzebub · 12/05/2025 13:41

WearyAuldWumman · 12/05/2025 13:38

I did a bit of supply at a former place of employment - a secondary school.

One of the absent teachers was a 'Mx'. There was a laminated nameplate for the classroom with the title, name and a cartoon pic of the said teacher - clearly a bloke with a beard.

The kids dutifully referred to him as 'Mx', but kept automatically calling him 'he'. Apparently, he'd gone off work with stress because of the constant 'misgendering'.

They need to be careful as they are making themselves unemployable with their narcissistic demands.

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 12/05/2025 13:40

Adults should not be disciplining children for slipping up on complying with their identity demands that go against everyone's natural instincts.

GutsyScroller · 12/05/2025 13:40

We don't have any cross-dressers (this is what these adults used to be called and they all knew what they were regarding their biological sex/gender) or confused teachers at my child's school. Even if we did, it's not fair or ok to expect a child to coddle an adult's feelings.
If the adult is a teacher, he should have control of his feelings, words and actions, and not need validation from minors regarding their identity situation.

Nowherecitizen · 12/05/2025 13:39

@SapphOhNo I can assure you this happened. It is actually a very child/young person centred school which takes all age groups. I think the teacher should be able to present themselves as whoever they want to be but also to cut the younger pupils a bit of slack if they get it wrong at first.

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WearyAuldWumman · 12/05/2025 13:38

I did a bit of supply at a former place of employment - a secondary school.

One of the absent teachers was a 'Mx'. There was a laminated nameplate for the classroom with the title, name and a cartoon pic of the said teacher - clearly a bloke with a beard.

The kids dutifully referred to him as 'Mx', but kept automatically calling him 'he'. Apparently, he'd gone off work with stress because of the constant 'misgendering'.

TY78910 · 12/05/2025 13:38

LlynTegid · 12/05/2025 13:19

Point the school to the Supreme Court judgment and say you will view any disciplinary measure for a mistake very seriously.

What does the SC ruling got to do with this? Teacher wants to be called Mx. It is no different to a Mrs wanted to be addressed by her title as opposed to Miss. Or Dr being addressed as their title as opposed to Mr. The SC ruling talks about biology, it does not support day-to-day nastiness and allows people to be whoever they want to be in peace.

TheFrendo · 12/05/2025 13:37

The teacher is a man, so should be called Sir.

This narcissistic delusion should not be indulged.

BundleBoogie · 12/05/2025 13:33

Nowherecitizen · 12/05/2025 13:31

I only sporadically catch up with this friend and we were discussing how our DC were doing and she mentioned a few gripes and this was one of them. She is the least ‘offensive’ and angry person you could meet. I was more fired up about it than she was! She just felt bad that her son was getting in trouble rather than being mad about the gender confusion.

My DC has also had access to this teacher (who is very talented at their subject) but does have a stern demeanour. I know of them as Mx but would not expect a younger child to be fully aware all the time. The 9 year old just used ‘Sir’ to get their attention.

And yes I’m aware I’m only getting one side of it. I’m also aware teachers put up with a lot of shite.

Good for you OP but ‘that shite’ shouldn’t include a child using a perfectly correct word for the man he sees in front of him. ‘Non binary’ is an identity statement of a very contested ideology and teachers should not be forcing children to participate in that.

OhHellolittleone · 12/05/2025 13:32

My child uses male pronouns for everyone! It’s a learning process.

TheNinny · 12/05/2025 13:32

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This is happening though. There’s a Mx in a local high school who gets mad if referred to as a miss (she is female and presents as such). Hopefully this BS will have died off by the time my child gets there.

Devilsmommy · 12/05/2025 13:32

PermanentTemporary · 12/05/2025 13:26

I'd encourage your child to see a minor telling off as just that. The sky hasn't fallen. He should presumably say 'Mx Brown' rather than Sir or Madam. Children usually adapt to this sort of stuff pretty easily so I'd think it was at least possible that he was taking the mick, which whatever the circumstances he shouldn't do.

Well surely the teacher can see that the sky hasn't fallen just because a kid called him sir🤷 but no, we should make kids lie and ignore reality because of an idiots feelz🙄🙄🙄

BundleBoogie · 12/05/2025 13:31

That is disgusting behaviour from the teacher and the school.

Children should not be gaslit by teachers in this harmful way. People are either male or female and the words we use like Sir refer to their sex.

I’d advise your friend to make a complaint to the school OP.

Nowherecitizen · 12/05/2025 13:31

I only sporadically catch up with this friend and we were discussing how our DC were doing and she mentioned a few gripes and this was one of them. She is the least ‘offensive’ and angry person you could meet. I was more fired up about it than she was! She just felt bad that her son was getting in trouble rather than being mad about the gender confusion.

My DC has also had access to this teacher (who is very talented at their subject) but does have a stern demeanour. I know of them as Mx but would not expect a younger child to be fully aware all the time. The 9 year old just used ‘Sir’ to get their attention.

And yes I’m aware I’m only getting one side of it. I’m also aware teachers put up with a lot of shite.

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BinBadger · 12/05/2025 13:30

TealScroller · 12/05/2025 13:16

We don't know if this is something that the teacher has had to put up with daily from this child or others in his class. How bad was the telling off? Was the child being cheeky? I think if the telling off wasn't excessive then the kid will just have to take it on the chin.

"put up with" - what do you mean?

I think you'd have to go a long way to find a teacher who hasn't been called Mum, Dad or Mr/Miss something else but a distracted/tired child. It's never resulted in more than a raised eyebrow or a mild giggle. Where children's struggle to remember that Miss Brown is now Mrs Smith post marriage or something, you may hear them being gently reminded.

That's it though.

None of those teachers would describe that as something they're struggling to "put up with" would they?

So by referring to this scenario in those terms you are putting the responsibility for validating this teacher's fragile identity on a 9 year old. And that it not ok.

Am v glad my 9 year old is in a school staffed by adults who relate to the kids in a developmentally appropriate, child centred way, with reasonable and age related expectations.

BundleBoogie · 12/05/2025 13:27

TealScroller · 12/05/2025 13:16

We don't know if this is something that the teacher has had to put up with daily from this child or others in his class. How bad was the telling off? Was the child being cheeky? I think if the telling off wasn't excessive then the kid will just have to take it on the chin.

When you say that this teacher might have to ‘put up with this daily’ what exactly do you mean?

’Put up with’ his students being polite and calling their male teacher Sir?

‘Put up with’ his student being able to accurately discern that the person in front of them is a man and using the correct words for his sex?

It is quite stunning that grown adults think it is ok to gaslight and abuse children in this way. Everyone in the world is either male or female (yes even the people with birth anomalies) and we use words that refer to people’s sex as many people don’t subscribe to the notion of ‘gender’ - it being based on stereotypes and undefined as a concept.

PermanentTemporary · 12/05/2025 13:26

I'd encourage your child to see a minor telling off as just that. The sky hasn't fallen. He should presumably say 'Mx Brown' rather than Sir or Madam. Children usually adapt to this sort of stuff pretty easily so I'd think it was at least possible that he was taking the mick, which whatever the circumstances he shouldn't do.

SapphOhNo · 12/05/2025 13:26

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JessaWoo · 12/05/2025 13:26

Was this little boy an annoying teenager?

ilovesooty · 12/05/2025 13:25

Fuckitydoodah · 12/05/2025 13:17

I'd be really angry and would be asking to speak to the head.

I couldn't care less what somebody identifies as, but if they bollock my 9 year old child for a lapse in remembering what they should be referred to, then I'm going to be very angry indeed.

It's her friend's son. I don't see why the OP is concerning herself about it at all. She'll have only heard it third hand anyway.

Moveoverdarlin · 12/05/2025 13:25

If it was my child I would say ‘Don’t worry. I’m not cross with you at all. And I’m annoyed they told you off. The situation with Mx Smith is very confusing. I’m confused too. Don’t give it any more thought.’

Dreichweather · 12/05/2025 13:24

When I was teaching, I was called Miss, Mam, some times Sir and one memorable occasion, Gran. Teachers are used to been accidentally given the wrong title.

JazzyJelly · 12/05/2025 13:23

I got called 'nan' a few times while teaching, while I was in my early 20s. A sane adult would just move past an error, even if it's not a flattering one!

Foostit · 12/05/2025 13:22

If this really happened then the teacher needs to grow the fuck up. I am generally supportive of schools but not when it comes to this sort of bollocks. ‘Mx’ indeed. How do you even make pronounce that? 😂