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9 yr old told off for calling non-binary teacher Sir

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Nowherecitizen · 12/05/2025 13:09

My friend’s son was told off by a teacher at his school for referring to them as ‘Sir’. The teacher is male but identifies as non-binary.

Their title is Mx which the children are aware of. But the little boy simply looked at an adult who is visibly male and used the term Sir.

I have seen this teacher and they are 'masculine' looking but will sometimes wear a skirt and heels.

Friend’s DS felt bad and can’t recall exactly what was said to them but said the teacher was ‘very cross’.

AIBU to think this was mishandled? Surely the child should be reminded gently of the preferred identity of this adult but should not face a telling off?

What is the non-binary version of Sir anyway?

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TealScroller · 12/05/2025 13:54

BundleBoogie · 12/05/2025 13:48

The pronouns for a man are he or him or Sir (clearly in the case of a teacher).

It is abuse and gaslighting to imply to children that people can be anything other than male or female or that people can change their sex.

See the Phalloplasty thread on AIBU for the logical conclusion of this highly contested ideology that should not be promoted in schools at all.

Explain how it is abuse?

Nevertrustacop · 12/05/2025 13:53

'Regardless of what your opinions are on the gender debate, it's reasonable to respect a person's right to be addressed as they wish.'

And to the quote above, no it isn't reasonable. It's variously colluding with a mental illness, pandering, lying, done out of fear, denying reality - take your pick out of any of those, but it is not reasonable or kind and needs to be knocked on the head.
Society deciced what pronoun you were and whether you were a sir or a miss a long time ago. You have no say in the matter

TY78910 · 12/05/2025 13:53

BundleBoogie · 12/05/2025 13:51

It is not nasty for a male teacher to be addressed by a student as Sir.

I would say it is nasty for a teacher to punish a child for failing to go along with something so illogical and scientifically and grammatically illiterate.

Did the kid get detention? Did the kid have to write ‘I will never call Mx Brown Sir again’ 100 times? Where is the punishment? Being corrected is not punishment.

It is irrelevant what you think, what I think, what anyone thinks. Lawfully, you can use whatever title you wish.

SmalllChange · 12/05/2025 13:53

Nowherecitizen · 12/05/2025 13:39

@SapphOhNo I can assure you this happened. It is actually a very child/young person centred school which takes all age groups. I think the teacher should be able to present themselves as whoever they want to be but also to cut the younger pupils a bit of slack if they get it wrong at first.

Which as you freely admit, they might have done.

Avatartar · 12/05/2025 13:53

We don’t know what really happened here so no point in diving into all sorts of things- friend should make appointment to discuss with school to understand what went on

KimberleyClark · 12/05/2025 13:52

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Yeah sure it did.

MyKingdomForACat · 12/05/2025 13:52

BundleBoogie · 12/05/2025 13:51

It is not nasty for a male teacher to be addressed by a student as Sir.

I would say it is nasty for a teacher to punish a child for failing to go along with something so illogical and scientifically and grammatically illiterate.

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Zoono · 12/05/2025 13:51

It honestly depends whether it was a genuine mistake or a student deliberately aiming to upset their teacher. I'm a mum albeit not to a school aged child yet but I'd be encouraging my child to remember a bit better what they've been told. I was also taught in a 'good' rated school by my teachers, that gender and sex are not necessarily the same, as gender is a social construction and not limited to biology . I'll be teaching my DD the same.

caramac04 · 12/05/2025 13:51

i feel sorry for the kids

Apriltowers · 12/05/2025 13:51

Biologically the teacher is Sir so the child was just staying scientifically reality. Why are we teaching children to ignore the evidence of eyes and ears?

BundleBoogie · 12/05/2025 13:51

TY78910 · 12/05/2025 13:38

What does the SC ruling got to do with this? Teacher wants to be called Mx. It is no different to a Mrs wanted to be addressed by her title as opposed to Miss. Or Dr being addressed as their title as opposed to Mr. The SC ruling talks about biology, it does not support day-to-day nastiness and allows people to be whoever they want to be in peace.

It is not nasty for a male teacher to be addressed by a student as Sir.

I would say it is nasty for a teacher to punish a child for failing to go along with something so illogical and scientifically and grammatically illiterate.

MyKingdomForACat · 12/05/2025 13:50

wisteriadrive · 12/05/2025 13:48

A male teacher wears a skirt and heels to school and expects to be taken seriously by a bunch of kids ?!

Put a skirt and sling backs on indoors but don’t bring it into a place of work, especially with small children some of whom may be finding navigating life difficult enough. Utter indulgent bollocks

Clownsy · 12/05/2025 13:50

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 12/05/2025 13:41

They need to be careful as they are making themselves unemployable with their narcissistic demands.

Could not agree more.
Thanks be to god my children have never ever had to deal with such utter toxic madness during their school years.

crankycurmudgeon · 12/05/2025 13:49

I think I would be seriously reconsidering if this is the right school for my child.

TY78910 · 12/05/2025 13:49

@WearyAuldWumman totally, and we don’t know what’s happened here so that’s why it’s hard to give an opinion on the tone of that feedback. But it’s totally fine to correct in a regular way if you wish for someone to use your correct title.

WearyAuldWumman · 12/05/2025 13:48

HunnyPot · 12/05/2025 13:44

Wasn’t the child aware for their title and name?

It makes no difference. Kids can come out with the wrong title or name without thinking. I've been called 'Mum' by pupils a few times over the years, and I'm fairly certain that it wasn't done deliberately.

wisteriadrive · 12/05/2025 13:48

A male teacher wears a skirt and heels to school and expects to be taken seriously by a bunch of kids ?!

BundleBoogie · 12/05/2025 13:48

TealScroller · 12/05/2025 13:43

But the kids KNOW the teachers' pronouns? If they're deliberately doing it then that's disrespectful. Regardless of what your opinions are on the gender debate, it's reasonable to respect a person's right to be addressed as they wish. I really struggle to understand how people can get so angry about the way other people live their lives? I don't believe that a child or an adult should be raked over the coals for misgendering someone as it's obviously hard to distinguish sometimes and there are those in the trans community for example, who are very outspoken and militant about it, but how hard is it to be respectful and kind?
Children should be taught to be kind and accepting of those who are 'different', not taught to think they can make their own decision about who a person is and how they wish to be identified or addressed.
Also describing it as abuse and gaslighting is puerile. Transgender people have existed (visibly or not) throughout humanity since the year dot and in some cultures are accepted or even revered so it's actually not a 'new thing', I'm glad to live in a society where people are becoming more open to being themselves and getting fair treatment.

The pronouns for a man are he or him or Sir (clearly in the case of a teacher).

It is abuse and gaslighting to imply to children that people can be anything other than male or female or that people can change their sex.

See the Phalloplasty thread on AIBU for the logical conclusion of this highly contested ideology that should not be promoted in schools at all.

IpsyUpsyDaisyDoos · 12/05/2025 13:47

JessaWoo · 12/05/2025 13:26

Was this little boy an annoying teenager?

The 9 year old?

Deathraystare · 12/05/2025 13:47

I wish they would leave the poor kids alone - this shit, Christ!

Jetsettermum · 12/05/2025 13:46

They shouldn’t be “reminded gently”. The child was correct. A 9 year old shouldn’t even be in this position and delusional gender beliefs should have no place in schools

WearyAuldWumman · 12/05/2025 13:45

TY78910 · 12/05/2025 13:38

What does the SC ruling got to do with this? Teacher wants to be called Mx. It is no different to a Mrs wanted to be addressed by her title as opposed to Miss. Or Dr being addressed as their title as opposed to Mr. The SC ruling talks about biology, it does not support day-to-day nastiness and allows people to be whoever they want to be in peace.

Honestly, I've lost count of the number of times that pupils and staff have got my title wrong.

At one point, I used 'Ms' with my own surname. The kids kept calling me 'Mrs'.

On supply, I was 'Mrs' plus my husband's surname. I had deputes accidentally calling me 'Miss'.

As others have said above, I've had pupils calling me 'Mr', 'Sir', 'Mum'... It comes with the territory. With the last three, it usually ends up with the class bursting out laughing. An accidental use of 'Miss' instead of 'Mrs', just led to a friendly 'Oh, it's...'

I once had a boy asking in astonishment 'Are you married?' I was widowed by then, and wasn't quite at the stage of saying that, so just held up my left hand to show my wedding band. There's no need for anyone to get into a strop about it.

HunnyPot · 12/05/2025 13:44

Wasn’t the child aware for their title and name?

Nevertrustacop · 12/05/2025 13:44

This is bollocks. The kid should refer to this man as Sir or Mr Whatsit, because that is correct.
No one is obliged to call people by incorrect titles just because the person says so. No one gets to identify in to a pronoun.

TealScroller · 12/05/2025 13:43

BundleBoogie · 12/05/2025 13:27

When you say that this teacher might have to ‘put up with this daily’ what exactly do you mean?

’Put up with’ his students being polite and calling their male teacher Sir?

‘Put up with’ his student being able to accurately discern that the person in front of them is a man and using the correct words for his sex?

It is quite stunning that grown adults think it is ok to gaslight and abuse children in this way. Everyone in the world is either male or female (yes even the people with birth anomalies) and we use words that refer to people’s sex as many people don’t subscribe to the notion of ‘gender’ - it being based on stereotypes and undefined as a concept.

But the kids KNOW the teachers' pronouns? If they're deliberately doing it then that's disrespectful. Regardless of what your opinions are on the gender debate, it's reasonable to respect a person's right to be addressed as they wish. I really struggle to understand how people can get so angry about the way other people live their lives? I don't believe that a child or an adult should be raked over the coals for misgendering someone as it's obviously hard to distinguish sometimes and there are those in the trans community for example, who are very outspoken and militant about it, but how hard is it to be respectful and kind?
Children should be taught to be kind and accepting of those who are 'different', not taught to think they can make their own decision about who a person is and how they wish to be identified or addressed.
Also describing it as abuse and gaslighting is puerile. Transgender people have existed (visibly or not) throughout humanity since the year dot and in some cultures are accepted or even revered so it's actually not a 'new thing', I'm glad to live in a society where people are becoming more open to being themselves and getting fair treatment.