9 yr old told off for calling non-binary teacher Sir

The inability to have your sex legally recorded as non-binary (eg X on a passport rather than F or M) has no impact at all on the fact that equalities legislation protects non-binary and gender fluid identities, for which I have provided you the case law. So not sure what your point is.

''Non-binary genders are not recognised in UK law. The Gender Recognition Act 2004 (GRA) enables a person to change the sex recorded on their birth certificate, either from male to female or vice versa. It makes no provision for the recognition of any other gender.''

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-9515/

I’m still waiting for some evidence to link being non-binary or a trans woman (the teacher is not the latter) with definitely being a fetishist.

Not trying to be goading - just curious as I’ve heard this thrown about a lot. A google of it has not resulted in anything apart from opinion pieces including an article saying this has been debunked. But if there is anything solid arguing either position please do link it here.

This is not the case. See Taylor v Jaguar Land Rover Ltd [2020] which established non-binary and gender fluid identities are protected under the Gender Reassignment characteristic. And no, the SC judgment has not affected that.

As humans, we've evolved over thousands of years, to be able to tell the sex of another human, often at a glance.

Particularly for women, this confers a survival advantage.

Young children lack the social filters we learn through life, and say it as they see it.

They saw a man, quite rightly, and referred to that.

Every single female teacher has been called Sir/Mum at least once in their career, it's simply not an issue.

Poor child.

I'm curious. I'm 70 years old and never had to call teachers Sir or Miss when I was a child. As a retired teacher, I never taught in a school where teachers were called Sir or Miss. During my life and experience, teachers are called Mr\Mrs\Miss and their surname, but never just a title. So was this 9 year old deliberately calling the teacher Sir to antagonise?

Some interesting logic around these discussions.

This man should keep his identify out of the classroom......but perfectly fine for teachers to ask their class to address them by a title signifying their identity as a married woman.

There's no such thing as 'presenting' as a woman, and threads like this often ask 'but what do you mean' when someone is described in that way......but someone is 'clearly' a man, based on appearance.

I shouldn't have to enter into their fiction.......but if I were to meet a member of the royal family I'd be expected to enter into their fiction about their superiority to me and address them as 'highness' or 'ma'am', or address religious leaders by their titles whether I find the premise on which they're based imaginary or not.

I suppose people are well aware, using the evidence of their senses, that I'm a married woman. I still do not wish to be called Mrs HusbandName. I would correct anyone following the evidence of their senses who called me that, and I would expect that correction to be respected, whether the other person accepted women using titles that don't indicate marital status or not (many people do not find this acceptable). I've told you what I want to be called and I expect my wishes to be respected.

We don't know if this is something that the teacher has had to put up with daily from this child or others in his class. How bad was the telling off? Was the child being cheeky? I think if the telling off wasn't excessive then the kid will just have to take it on the chin.

Totally off the point but don't we all have these people in our lives - sometimes colleagues, sometimes family members that are narcissistic and demanding and who everyone has to tiptoe around, because otherwise they will kick off?

Why do we tolerate this sort of behaviour from adults?

What an absolute load of bollocks.
Student refers to a man as sir and gets told off for it.

Some interesting logic around these discussions.

This man should keep his identify out of the classroom......but perfectly fine for teachers to ask their class to address them by a title signifying their identity as a married woman.

There's no such thing as 'presenting' as a woman, and threads like this often ask 'but what do you mean' when someone is described in that way......but someone is 'clearly' a man, based on appearance.

I shouldn't have to enter into their fiction.......but if I were to meet a member of the royal family I'd be expected to enter into their fiction about their superiority to me and address them as 'highness' or 'ma'am', or address religious leaders by their titles whether I find the premise on which they're based imaginary or not.

I suppose people are well aware, using the evidence of their senses, that I'm a married woman. I still do not wish to be called Mrs HusbandName. I would correct anyone following the evidence of their senses who called me that, and I would expect that correction to be respected, whether the other person accepted women using titles that don't indicate marital status or not (many people do not find this acceptable). I've told you what I want to be called and I expect my wishes to be respected.

Yeh, I got called Sir litetally just yesterday when doing the register (I'm female). I wasn't fussed - it was a mistake. The kidd laughed for a second and I ignored it.

If, however, a child was doing it deliberately to be sarcastic or to annoy me, I'd be cross and tell them off.

Hard to know in this situation without being there.

As humans, we've evolved over thousands of years, to be able to tell the sex of another human, often at a glance.

Particularly for women, this confers a survival advantage.

Young children lack the social filters we learn through life, and say it as they see it.

They saw a man, quite rightly, and referred to that.

Every single female teacher has been called Sir/Mum at least once in their career, it's simply not an issue.

Poor child.

I don’t think kids understand the concept of non binary. I’m late 20’s and even I can’t comprehend how someone doesn’t feel either gender- so trying to explain to kids, they’re not going to understand or know how to address them correctly. Transgender is a different matter, if they are male to female for example and they present female (as in dress feminine, don’t have facial hair etc) then it’s simpler to explain to children that some people don’t feel like they was born in the correct body.

I think kids should be kids, putting these pronouns and confusing children with adult topics are ruining their childhoods. It should be simple, they shouldn’t have the complexities of adult issues forced upon them.