9 yr old told off for calling non-binary teacher Sir

I kept my own name upon marriage decades ago but was called my husbands suname all through my childrens schooling, despite all paperwork being very clearly to the contrary.

Did i Care?
Did i correct the teachers?

Of course I didn't.
I'm not a gobshite.

I would be making a meeting request for clarification if this had occurred if I was that parent.
And I'm not a complainer.
That would REALLY piss me off.

I also don't feel it's reasonable.

What if he wanted to be addressed as 'his excellency the emperor of the world'? Would that be reasonable? Of course not.

I’m not clear on your point here?

Should we ignore (or stop taking about) this awful behaviour by a teacher because you’re not sure what constitutes a ‘telling off’?

So those who think children should do whatever the adults say they should - if the teacher says they must be called Doctor or Lord, despite this not being the actual case, should they comply with that?

“Hey kids, this is a man and this is a woman, oh apart from Mr X with the beard who is also a woman”. Is he bollocks.

The SC judgement has no relevance to nevermind impact on this situation. The misunderstanding on MN of what the SC held and its impact is pretty widespread.

Read some of the heartbreaking accounts on this thread. They are the logical conclusion of where some kids end up when they are taught by adults that you can change sex and not everyone is male or female. It is abusive to teach children that they must ignore the evidence of their own eyes and that the man stood in front of them is not really a man.

Gender ideology also teaches kids to keep secrets from their parents and is the very antithesis of safeguarding.

www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5333059-do-phalloplasties-actually-work?page=16&reply=144225884

Quite.

If this man wants his friends to validate him then that's up to them and their relationship.

It is not the job of 9 year olds.

It really depends on what was said and how it was said! OP wasn’t there, it’s a third hand account. My DC thinks I’m telling her off when I say “DC take your shoes off as I’ve just mopped the floor” because that’s what kids do. Everything is personal.

That's completely understandable. I certainly made innocent comments and mistakes when I was 9 including a daft comment about someone who was transgender. My left wing nans glare, soon put a stop to that and I learnt from that.

TY78910 · Today 13:38

What does the SC ruling got to do with this? Teacher wants to be called Mx. It is no different to a Mrs wanted to be addressed by her title as opposed to Miss.

Yes, it is different actually. The children are being asked to say something they know is not true, because they can see the teacher is visibly male. Marital status is not visible, and choice of Mrs / Miss / Ms varies according to personal choice anyway. Kids get the title/ marital status of female teachers wrong all the time. In fact in most schools they just call them all 'Miss'.

Absolutely mishandled. The number of times I’ve heard people call their teachers mum or dad by mistake and they haven’t been told off, it was a simple mistake but the teacher is obviously sensitive to it. Not the child’s fault. If my child was very upset I’d be bringing this up with the headteacher to have a word with the teacher about the way they handled it.

The pupil isn’t at school to validate the teacher’s gender identity especially when the child is 9 years old.

How do you pronounce Mx?

It’s obviously ludicrous to tell him off unless he was deliberately goading the teacher over a period of time.

A gentle reminder is all that’s needed. I’ve been mistaken for a man a number of times, by assumption ( the job I do and a name that could be male or female) and also because I don’t look very feminine especially from behind.

I don’t get angry I just smile and say “I’m a woman.”

If this teacher has a naming requirement he just needs to politely remind the child “I prefer to be called Mx not sir”

What your friend's DS did was to correctly use and apply his knowledge of language, biology and reality. No-one should care if this bloke's feelings are hurt, he is a transvestite showboating his fetish in a primary school and he deserves to be called out on it. Children should not be forced to deny reality or to bow to the gender-woo nonsense.

Exactly. There's an awful lot of self importance involved in an adult needing to be validated (without fail) by the kids in their class.

I'm a 53 year old woman and a Miss. I get mistakenly called Mrs all the time. I'd never get angry with someone about it, and certainly not with a child.

It's really simple.

A child is there to be educated, not forced into compliance with a fringe ideology and it's made up titles.

I'm against religious schools and their forced compliance with honorific titles too, but you generally have a choice about sending your child there.

Children do not exist to comply with that teacher's ideology, belief system or demands. They do not exist to validate their feelings.

I would make this incredibly clear to the teacher, the head teacher and the governing body.

Are we quibbling about the meaning of the word punishment now rather than engaging either the substance of the issue?

My friend’s son was told off by a teacher

Getting a telling off by the teacher was a punishment in my day.

I wonder if any female primary teachers ever wear a skirt with heels these days? None of my kids teachers did, and they left primary years ago.

Has the teacher never been called Dad or Mum? There is no need for any performance here.

Mx - FFS! I wonder how people 100 years hence will look at this era and think that mass insanity had taken over.

It certainly feels that way.

And I speak as someone with a dearly loved transgender grandchild who does not expect everyone to dance to their tune, but just blends in and gets on with life.