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9 yr old told off for calling non-binary teacher Sir

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Nowherecitizen · 12/05/2025 13:09

My friend’s son was told off by a teacher at his school for referring to them as ‘Sir’. The teacher is male but identifies as non-binary.

Their title is Mx which the children are aware of. But the little boy simply looked at an adult who is visibly male and used the term Sir.

I have seen this teacher and they are 'masculine' looking but will sometimes wear a skirt and heels.

Friend’s DS felt bad and can’t recall exactly what was said to them but said the teacher was ‘very cross’.

AIBU to think this was mishandled? Surely the child should be reminded gently of the preferred identity of this adult but should not face a telling off?

What is the non-binary version of Sir anyway?

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Nowherecitizen · 12/05/2025 14:28

@ThriveAT the parent concerned has very high levels of self regulation and despite having a very high level science qualification, she is not overtly obsessed with the gender topic and is very respectful. She is not the complaining type either. I suspect the school very much wants to keep this top teacher.

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moggly · 12/05/2025 14:28

Snorlaxo · 12/05/2025 14:26

I hope that this isn’t true because I know from experience it’s hard to switch to them/they pronouns and I’m a lot older than 9.

While I accept that NB people will face ridicule for being NB, most children aren’t going to use terms like him to be nasty. I see it as no different to kids forgetting a female teacher’s new married surname or using mum.

I’m not even sure how to say Mx

A fully grown man claiming he isn't a man is being ridiculous though.

4naans · 12/05/2025 14:28

Don't insist on kids using gendered terms for teachers and it avoids this. Miss and Mr and sir etc are so old fashioned and unnecessarily gendered. Just use names.

Mjaxten16 · 12/05/2025 14:28

List this under definitely didn’t happen. It’s like X on here at times. I’m sure people make things up

TheKeatingFive · 12/05/2025 14:27

TealScroller · 12/05/2025 14:25

It's actually a small percentage of trans people who opt for such surgeries and in any case if the person is of sound mind then it's their decision. I'm firmly against a person undergoing such life changing surgery without extensive counselling.
As for stating that 'there are only 2 genders and we shouldn't be teaching children any different' then my response would be that if a person feels that they were born in the wrong body Maybe we should try to be more open minded? Should we be more critical of gay people too? After all, human beings are designed to procreate, so should we be less accepting of them too?
My whole point of commenting was to offer the idea that treating a fellow human being with dignity and respect should be a given. As for harming children, that's utterly ridiculous 'children should ignore the evidence of their own eyes'? So children should make judgments on a person based on what they can see, rather engaging their brain and considering that there are different types of people, not just 'man' and 'woman' what about 'person'? 'human'?
I stand firm in my opinion that it doesn't matter what you think about who a person is, what gender they are etc, but that people are treated with dignity and respect.

Treating people with 'dignity and respect' is not the same as kowtowing to every demand they make

Ilikeadrink14 · 12/05/2025 14:26

MyKingdomForACat · 12/05/2025 13:50

Put a skirt and sling backs on indoors but don’t bring it into a place of work, especially with small children some of whom may be finding navigating life difficult enough. Utter indulgent bollocks

I agree wholeheartedly with your comment. It wasn’t the fact of the telling off that got to me, it was the thought of a man wearing women’s clothes in a classroom. I don’t give a flying f*ck what this teacher does in his private life, but to come to a classroom to teach in women’s clothes is beyond sick! Why is the school allowing it?
It’s a good job I am not involved personally in this. I would have it all over the papers, especially local ones, in a flash (no pun intended!)

ThriveAT · 12/05/2025 14:26

Fuckitydoodah · 12/05/2025 13:17

I'd be really angry and would be asking to speak to the head.

I couldn't care less what somebody identifies as, but if they bollock my 9 year old child for a lapse in remembering what they should be referred to, then I'm going to be very angry indeed.

Some parents have poor self-regulation skills. I can see this turning into another teacher bashing thread.

Snorlaxo · 12/05/2025 14:26

I hope that this isn’t true because I know from experience it’s hard to switch to them/they pronouns and I’m a lot older than 9.

While I accept that NB people will face ridicule for being NB, most children aren’t going to use terms like him to be nasty. I see it as no different to kids forgetting a female teacher’s new married surname or using mum.

I’m not even sure how to say Mx

TealScroller · 12/05/2025 14:25

It's actually a small percentage of trans people who opt for such surgeries and in any case if the person is of sound mind then it's their decision. I'm firmly against a person undergoing such life changing surgery without extensive counselling.
As for stating that 'there are only 2 genders and we shouldn't be teaching children any different' then my response would be that if a person feels that they were born in the wrong body Maybe we should try to be more open minded? Should we be more critical of gay people too? After all, human beings are designed to procreate, so should we be less accepting of them too?
My whole point of commenting was to offer the idea that treating a fellow human being with dignity and respect should be a given. As for harming children, that's utterly ridiculous 'children should ignore the evidence of their own eyes'? So children should make judgments on a person based on what they can see, rather engaging their brain and considering that there are different types of people, not just 'man' and 'woman' what about 'person'? 'human'?
I stand firm in my opinion that it doesn't matter what you think about who a person is, what gender they are etc, but that people are treated with dignity and respect.

TheFutureIs · 12/05/2025 14:25

I am a female teacher, I dress mostly in skirts/dresses, always wear make up etc and am 5ft. Students still often call me Sir

SplendidUtterly · 12/05/2025 14:25

So now, children of primary and junior school age have to worry about their teachers pronouns?
Ffs.

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 12/05/2025 14:25

How are you supposed to pronounce Mx anyway? Like Mix but with no vowel sound except a bit of a grunt?

Nowherecitizen · 12/05/2025 14:25

The teacher @ResisterOfTwaddleRex is highly experienced and talented in their chosen subject. They normally teach older children but will do some lessons with younger ones too. They should definitely be in teaching. I don’t want anyone yo infer that they were ‘inappropriate’. They were just overly stern if the small child came away feeling bad.

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user1471538275 · 12/05/2025 14:22

So we've had:

  1. It didn't happen
  2. It did happen, but it was all the child's fault - they're annoying, being deliberately provocative, a teenager, disrespectful
  3. It did happen, and the child was 9 and not being provocative, but they need to learn to comply with whatever adults tell them they must do, even the worrying ones
  4. It did happen, but the adult's feelings are much more important than any child - the child is only there as a prop to the adult after all
TheKeatingFive · 12/05/2025 14:22

GoFaster83 · 12/05/2025 14:16

I disagree with this. Words are words. They're all ultimately meaningless. Biological sex I understand. Think of how many times on here people complain about parents in law addressing cards to Mrs X when they're not married or worse Mrs Brian Coleman. Thats a long established protocol. Doesn't mean we stick with it. I'm certainly not Mrs Brian Coleman despite my father and grandparents insistence. (Not my name BTW!)

We move away from long established protocols when the interests of wider society are served by this move.

Who's interests are being served when we tell 9 year olds off for recognising a man as a man?

TimeForTeaAndToast · 12/05/2025 14:21

I'll be glad when this nonsense ends. He shouldn't be foisting his fetish (crossdressing) and non existent "identity" on to the children.

ResisterOfTwaddleRex · 12/05/2025 14:21

Children aged 9 still believe in Father Christmas. Of course they don’t comprehend Queer Theory in their classrooms and nor should they.

The teacher needs to find another job. Using children to validate himself is a red flag. He should not even be there to begin with. How did he get past Safer Recruitment processes? I’d be asking the school this question.

ClearHoldBuild · 12/05/2025 14:20

moggly · 12/05/2025 14:13

The teacher should get a formal written warning for his behaviour.

Would that be all teachers getting a formal written warning for telling off a pupil when the parent doesn’t agree with them or just teachers who identify as non binary? Plus all we have is the third hand account of a nine year old whose definition of Very Cross we cannot quantify. Let’s get some facts before a formal written warning don’t you think?

Azureshores · 12/05/2025 14:20

If this is true (and I have my doubts but the way the world is atm who knows?)
I would be removing my child from that school - I'd rather home school than send them anywhere that kowtows to this bollocks.

drspouse · 12/05/2025 14:19

TealScroller · 12/05/2025 13:16

We don't know if this is something that the teacher has had to put up with daily from this child or others in his class. How bad was the telling off? Was the child being cheeky? I think if the telling off wasn't excessive then the kid will just have to take it on the chin.

But why should these children be participants in this man's nonsense?
Would they be expected to call a teacher who's a furry "your meowsome"?

user1492757084 · 12/05/2025 14:18

Maybe it's ..

Ris
Surs
Suss
Mate
Ir - sounds like err
Teacher

Butchyrestingface · 12/05/2025 14:17

@Nowherecitizen

Just as well he wasn't teaching when I was a kid. There were several occasions where I called the teacher 'mummy' by mistake. I wasn't the only one. Easter Grin

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 12/05/2025 14:17

When my children were at school (mid 1990s to early 2010s), I wanted the teachers to teach them facts, skills and (ideally) critical thinking, along with modelling respectful and appropriate behaviour. I wanted them to be people my children could look up to for their intelligence and common sense. I didn't expect my children's heads to be filled up with absurd demands to use newly coined forms of address and non-sex-based pronouns. It's a distraction.

SetinTime · 12/05/2025 14:17

Dear me...the world has gotten out of hand. Poor kid.

BundleBoogie · 12/05/2025 14:17

Nothankyov · 12/05/2025 14:12

@Nowherecitizen - frankly in my experience on this forum you are going to have a very skewed response towards agreeing with you mainly because it speaks of trans issues as this forum is from what I observed not friendly towards this subject. Having said that, I agree that regardless of the topic trans a 9 year old should be spoken to in a gentle manner, assuming that it was an honest mistake.

It’s not a mistake for a student to use ‘Sir’ for a male teacher.

Trans ideology is highly contested and harmful and should not be taught in schools.