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9 yr old told off for calling non-binary teacher Sir

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Nowherecitizen · 12/05/2025 13:09

My friend’s son was told off by a teacher at his school for referring to them as ‘Sir’. The teacher is male but identifies as non-binary.

Their title is Mx which the children are aware of. But the little boy simply looked at an adult who is visibly male and used the term Sir.

I have seen this teacher and they are 'masculine' looking but will sometimes wear a skirt and heels.

Friend’s DS felt bad and can’t recall exactly what was said to them but said the teacher was ‘very cross’.

AIBU to think this was mishandled? Surely the child should be reminded gently of the preferred identity of this adult but should not face a telling off?

What is the non-binary version of Sir anyway?

OP posts:
Pudmyboy · 12/05/2025 14:39

When a child wants to get the teacher's attention, do they still put their hand up and say 'sir!' or 'miss!' If this is still the case, what are kids supposed to say to attract the attention of the NB teacher?
Absolutely genuine question; I cannot think what they would say: the kids can't put their hands up and shout 'them!'. So, what do they say? Just the name, every time?

Nowherecitizen · 12/05/2025 14:37

@ThriveAT because it was my friend, not me. It is her child, not mine. I would have taken it up with the school in a seeking more information way but I am slightly more confrontational by nature!

OP posts:
Nominative · 12/05/2025 14:37

Muffinmam · 12/05/2025 14:29

Why should he be reminded gently? The teacher is clearly in a mental health crisis and is verbally abusing very small children. HE shouldn’t be reaching small children. Put him in with teenagers and see if they will tolerate his abuse.

To describe this as abuse is ridiculous. We already know from the information given by OP that this teacher has been teaching older children very successfully.

Crunchymum · 12/05/2025 14:36

So what are the kids expected to call them? (I am confused do they actually refer to them as M-X? "Hi M-X, how are you?")

In this instance could the teacher opt for a first name basis? That would be my suggestion to the school.

How was it all explained to the kids to begin with? Not sure I'd be 100% comfortable with the school having that conversation with my 9yo.

Naunet · 12/05/2025 14:36

TealScroller · 12/05/2025 14:25

It's actually a small percentage of trans people who opt for such surgeries and in any case if the person is of sound mind then it's their decision. I'm firmly against a person undergoing such life changing surgery without extensive counselling.
As for stating that 'there are only 2 genders and we shouldn't be teaching children any different' then my response would be that if a person feels that they were born in the wrong body Maybe we should try to be more open minded? Should we be more critical of gay people too? After all, human beings are designed to procreate, so should we be less accepting of them too?
My whole point of commenting was to offer the idea that treating a fellow human being with dignity and respect should be a given. As for harming children, that's utterly ridiculous 'children should ignore the evidence of their own eyes'? So children should make judgments on a person based on what they can see, rather engaging their brain and considering that there are different types of people, not just 'man' and 'woman' what about 'person'? 'human'?
I stand firm in my opinion that it doesn't matter what you think about who a person is, what gender they are etc, but that people are treated with dignity and respect.

There are only two sexes, that doesn't mean all women are the same, type of person, and all men are the same type of person, that sort of attitude is what you call sexism. Biological sex is not a personality type, why do you confuse the two?

JudgeJ · 12/05/2025 14:35

WhereIsMyJumper · 12/05/2025 13:16

What an absolute load of bollocks.
Student refers to a man as sir and gets told off for it.

If people want to be referred to in a way other than he/she, Miss/Sir in school, etc then maybe they need to wear a badge showing their current preference. I can't be the only female teacher to have been called Mum and I never thought to tell off the pupil for their genuine error!

quandry77 · 12/05/2025 14:35

A little boy, speaking a biological truth before his eyes. Thank goodness the Supreme Court has recognised biology…. Speak to the head and remind Him/Her of the new reality and you expect teachers to stop bullying young children over biological realities.

Mumofoneandone · 12/05/2025 14:35

Nowherecitizen · 12/05/2025 14:28

@ThriveAT the parent concerned has very high levels of self regulation and despite having a very high level science qualification, she is not overtly obsessed with the gender topic and is very respectful. She is not the complaining type either. I suspect the school very much wants to keep this top teacher.

Doesn't matter how good a teacher is teaching a subject if their behaviour isn't appropriate.
Clearly being male but sometimes wearing skirts and heels can't really complain about youngsters referring to them as Sir. It is a perfectly respectful way to refer to a male teacher. A 9 year old should not be exposed to this person's gender issues.......

ClearHoldBuild · 12/05/2025 14:34

Muffinmam · 12/05/2025 14:30

He’s unsafe because he is verbally abusing small children.

He has a mental health illness and his behaviour is erratic. He shouldn’t be teaching at all.

You got all that from the OP, blimey.
Teacher chastised child = erratic behaviour. Interesting concept.

Shetlands · 12/05/2025 14:33

Oh FFS!
In my primary teaching career I've been called:
Mum
Mummy
Mam
Mom
Miss
Sir
Miss Shetlands
Mr Shetlands
Mrs Shetlands
Teacher
Nan
...and plenty of other less polite labels!

This male teacher who has decided to identify as 'non-binary' (which is biological bullshit) and sometimes dresses in skirts and heels, expects 9 year old children to not be confused about what they're supposed to call him?

I'm so glad I'm retired now! 😂

Digdongdoo · 12/05/2025 14:33

Children know the truth, we shouldn't be forcing them to lie. It's cruel and confusing.

CatHairEveryWhereNow · 12/05/2025 14:33

I meant it’s very common for children to accidentally call their teachers Mum or Dad.

I'd agree it happens and never known a teacher do more than correct.

Sir and Miss to get a teacher attention were routine in mine and DH schools and in DC secondary school and primary. It's a polite way of trying to attract attention - only ever seen people have an issue with it on here.

It's kind of like adding Aunty to unrelated older women when I was young though that's really died out now where I grew up. It's a polite form of address that usually fairly normalised.

The kid picked wrong word - most teachers would shrug off and get on with day unless there was something more malcious about interaction.

If 9 year old was left upset or worried about interacting with teacher in future - I'd have words with the school - otherwise not.

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ThriveAT · 12/05/2025 14:32

Nowherecitizen · 12/05/2025 14:28

@ThriveAT the parent concerned has very high levels of self regulation and despite having a very high level science qualification, she is not overtly obsessed with the gender topic and is very respectful. She is not the complaining type either. I suspect the school very much wants to keep this top teacher.

Why are you referring to yourself in the 3rd person?

ArtTheClown · 12/05/2025 14:32

What a really horrible, unfair position to put small children in.

TERF4Life · 12/05/2025 14:32

I’d go ballistic.

Fetishes belong in the bedroom. They do not belong in public life, and children should never ever be exposed to them! Make it very clear to the head that you do not consent to being part of this teacher’s fantasies. Full stop.

user1471538275 · 12/05/2025 14:32

@Nowherecitizen Despite their talents they should only be in teaching if they understand a core principle - that your political and religious/ideological beliefs and practices should not affect the students or be transmitted to them.

It is your job as a teacher to remain neutral and to ensure that children of all belief systems are allowed to participate in conversation, debates and school life, without prejudice.

TheKeatingFive · 12/05/2025 14:32

This teacher needs the kids to comply with the request because if they don't, he's just a man.

It is not ok for your identity to so fragile it requires the scaffold of others' words or it all falls down.

This is the key point.

Amd children should not be being roped in to this.

Nominative · 12/05/2025 14:31

BundleBoogie · 12/05/2025 13:27

When you say that this teacher might have to ‘put up with this daily’ what exactly do you mean?

’Put up with’ his students being polite and calling their male teacher Sir?

‘Put up with’ his student being able to accurately discern that the person in front of them is a man and using the correct words for his sex?

It is quite stunning that grown adults think it is ok to gaslight and abuse children in this way. Everyone in the world is either male or female (yes even the people with birth anomalies) and we use words that refer to people’s sex as many people don’t subscribe to the notion of ‘gender’ - it being based on stereotypes and undefined as a concept.

You're being intentionally obtuse. It's pretty obvious that the poster was pointing out that the teacher may have to put up daily with pupils intentionally misaddressing them though they know perfectly well how they should be addressed.

Muffinmam · 12/05/2025 14:30

ClearHoldBuild · 12/05/2025 14:29

Father Christmas is made up so based on your theory the children should have no problem with the made up concept of a non-binary teacher.
What makes this teacher unsafe?

He’s unsafe because he is verbally abusing small children.

He has a mental health illness and his behaviour is erratic. He shouldn’t be teaching at all.

Nothankyov · 12/05/2025 14:29

BundleBoogie · 12/05/2025 14:17

It’s not a mistake for a student to use ‘Sir’ for a male teacher.

Trans ideology is highly contested and harmful and should not be taught in schools.

That is your opinion - and you are entitled to it of course.

ClearHoldBuild · 12/05/2025 14:29

ResisterOfTwaddleRex · 12/05/2025 14:21

Children aged 9 still believe in Father Christmas. Of course they don’t comprehend Queer Theory in their classrooms and nor should they.

The teacher needs to find another job. Using children to validate himself is a red flag. He should not even be there to begin with. How did he get past Safer Recruitment processes? I’d be asking the school this question.

Edited

Father Christmas is made up so based on your theory the children should have no problem with the made up concept of a non-binary teacher.
What makes this teacher unsafe?

BinBadger · 12/05/2025 14:29

TY78910 · 12/05/2025 13:38

What does the SC ruling got to do with this? Teacher wants to be called Mx. It is no different to a Mrs wanted to be addressed by her title as opposed to Miss. Or Dr being addressed as their title as opposed to Mr. The SC ruling talks about biology, it does not support day-to-day nastiness and allows people to be whoever they want to be in peace.

But in your examples those people would probably just let it go wouldn't they? I'd be a bit eye rolly about a Dr insisting on being called Dr if there was a lapse during small talk etc....

The whole point is that even if I call my neighbour who has a PhD and likes being called Dr Neighbour, Mr Neighbour instead, he doesn't cease to be a Dr die to my error, and we'd all think he was a bit of a knob if he reprimanded me.

This teacher needs the kids to comply with the request because if they don't, he's just a man.

It is not ok for your identity to so fragile it requires the scaffold of others' words or it all falls down.

Muffinmam · 12/05/2025 14:29

SmalllChange · 12/05/2025 13:13

Yes, they should be reminded gently which is what makes me think for all you know (given the 3rd hand info) he may have been told off for taking the piss.

Or he may have been told countless times already, who knows?

Certainly not you, but it'll make for a busy thread regardless.

Why should he be reminded gently? The teacher is clearly in a mental health crisis and is verbally abusing very small children. HE shouldn’t be reaching small children. Put him in with teenagers and see if they will tolerate his abuse.

ThriveAT · 12/05/2025 14:28

moggly · 12/05/2025 14:13

The teacher should get a formal written warning for his behaviour.

Why stop there? Formal written warning? What next, the guillotine? Geez, you can see why teachers are fleeing for their sanity.