9 yr old told off for calling non-binary teacher Sir

What is the non-binary version of Sir anyway?

Well, quite. This is an example of why being "non-binary" is way more bonkers than being trans. At least trans people just want to be the opposite of what they were born as, including taking the Mr or Ms that goes with that new identity. Non-binary people seem to want to have their cake and eat it, then deny even knowing what cake is. It's the kind of exhausting semantic game that most of us grow out of by age 6. I have encountered trans people online who think the NB people are taking the piss.

(That said: although I am not a fan of Genderwang™ I do have to disagree with PP who say that "Sir" is in some way "biological". Even the most absolute sex essentialist would, I think, have to concede that terms of deference are social constructs. Maybe we need a gender-neutral Sir/Madam equivalent. I propose "Chief" or "Boss".)

Well if he has had to put up with it it's his own fault for choosing to take on that non binary bollocks, particularly when he teaches nine year olds and must know that most adults struggle with the concept, let alone young children.

This x 1000. Kids shouldn’t be having to pander to some deluded adult.

Neither, but I very much doubt this one is excellent. He is there for himself and is using children.

Again - in my opinion just because it’s the “convention of hundreds years of language” doesn’t mean that we shouldn’t consider the possibility of change and evolution. Human nature isn’t static has never been static I mean we evolved from primates over millions of years ago. We don’t know where human existence it will lead until the sun explodes so I keep an open mind with that in mind. Again my opinion - which differs from yours and that is absolutely ok! Not pushing an agenda or claiming my opinion is more valid than yours - only stating how I lead my life.

This happened

No, the teacher can stop being so narcissistic and be a man, which he is.

Why would we pretend female behaviour is the same as male behaviour? We know some men get off on wearing women's clothing, are you pretending the don't exist?

The teacher was referred to by his biological sex.
That is not wrong.

The teacher trying to force validation for his own issues from children is very wrong.

If you aren't mentally healthy enough to have a child call you what you actually are, you aren't mentally healthy enough to be a teacher.

Teacher should be told off for breaching boundaries and expecting children to lie about what they see. Very dangerous and a safe-guarding issue in the school since being taught not to recognise a person's sex can lead to issues in recognising threats to the child - men are 98% of those who commit violent and sexual offences to recognising that someone is male is important for children. I would be writing to the Head and the governors asking why a teacher is causing a safe-guarding issue and what they are going to do about it.

Should we be more critical of gay people too?

Keep us out of it, this L and the LGB community I know are sick of deluded fetishists invading our spaces and flags and being used as part of this ridiculous ideology. Same sex attraction is NOT the same as thinking if you don a dress and a bad wig you magically become a woman.

LGB firmly and irrevocably without the T

But why is Mx straightforward? We just had a policy at work which circulated in draft form, and said everyone had to be addressed using their preferred name and pronouns even if it wasn't on our staff database. I asked what happens when a temp comes in and tells us on their first day they want to be called "meow/meowself"?

Ms was brought in to help women (a real biological class of people) who didn't want anyone to know their marital status (a real legal status).
Mx is supposed to make people ignore someone's biological sex (which you can't do as you are human).

I don't agree with you on Mx. Since when? And where are we going to draw the line?

That’s actually a good point, re belief.

Many years ago, my best friend worked in the local post office.

The local priest told her off because she’d said ‘Sir’ instead of ‘Father’.

’I’m sorry, Sir, but I’m not Catholic.’

The priest complained to the manager.

There's a point where it becomes absurd but Mr/Mrs/Ms/Mx are all pretty straightforward.

Trousers are comfortable and practical so even if the female teacher has short hair, also comfortable and practical, the overall effect is not the equivalent of a male teacher wearing heels and a skirt which are not comfortable and practical clothes by comparison. The male will possibly
look like a fetishist.

Why? What if they wanted to be called 'dark lord'?

Agree. Bloody ridiculous.

As I said at 1447
So if a female teacher wore male suits every day and had a short back and sides would you consider that a fetish that the school was foistering. It’s just clothes. They just like a skirt and heels occasionally

Such a load of bollocks and ridiculous that the kids have to cope with a mentally unwell adult gaslighting them in this way. DD’s school now has a they/them teacher who goes by ‘Mx’ - I am so glad that she finished before this madness occurred.

the male teacher was politely referred to as sir. The child did nothing wrong. the teacher is in the wrong in expecting anyone, let alone children, to feed into their derangement

Goodness knows what this teacher's history is but if they want to be called Mx etc then it's only polite to comply.

I have a name that people often mistake for a similar sounding male name. If they are emailing me without having spoken to me or met me before they will frequently “misgender” me. It’s literally no big deal and has happened forever. People need to lighten up. But I just tell my kids to play the game, do an internal eye roll and get on with it.

Gawd, enough of the 'non binary shite'! I have absolute sympathy for genuine trans cases of body dysphoria. But to decide some days to be one thing, then the other, then take offence when someone refers to you as you actually are and shout at a child is awful. Enough of this sort of nonsense.

The staff member should be advising the children at the start of the term, what the children are supposed to call them. I thought non-binary meant a person didn't identify as being male or female. My son had a teacher who he couldn't figure out if they were male or female - turns out the person was actually biologically female but looked quite masculine. Some of the class referred to the teacher as Sir and others Miss. She didn't particularly care, which they called her. However, children get confused, because they don't really understand and then become anxious in case they use the incorrect term. If teaching staff wish to be referred to as MX Smith, then they should explain to student how they should refer to them. If they don't, they can then hardly blame the child.