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To feel these parent are not understanding ( WhatsApp and Sats )

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Bringmecookies25 · 12/05/2025 01:07

I will try not to drip feed.

DC clas have been preparing for the Sats with mocks/ practice and this has included doing it exactly the way it will happen on the day which has lead to other students noticing “ access arrangements “
today a parent queried in the class WhatsApp group about this
for example “ Henry has said that some people are not completing the tests independently and staff are writing/ reading for them and that a few of them do not finish at the same time and can leave the classroom “

it was politely explained by one parent and seemed to be accepted by parent of Henry - this thought triggered another mum who to be fair is often triggered to pipe up and go on a rant about how it’s always the children who get it easier and it will not be a fair judgement for secondary school sets etc
( area means most children will be going up to the same secondary school ) they then started rambling about GCSEs like what happens at GCSE they get an easier ride in them to get in to colleges ?
this then caused a trickle ( not most ) but a few of the other parents to join in agreement.
My DC is one of them who will be receiving the access arrangements and probably more so than the others as they will have extra time / breaks / scribe and reader in maths etc.
from mocks my DC is likely to get
WT nearly WA in spag - last came out at 97
WA in math - last was 102
GD in reading comp - last was 117
will score low in teaching assessment of writing.
one of the complaints was which I did take to it to beinf towards my DC that sole on the children are not even behind and it just means they will be benefit and have less stress than her DC.

I just wanted to shout at them they have no understanding of the situation and that the point of access arrangements is not to give them a better chance than others but to give them an equal chance !

OP posts:
ToffeePennie · 12/05/2025 08:09

Just trying to get accommodations for my autistic son was a nightmare! Thank god I’m not dealing with WhatsApp crap too!
They are brainless idiots.

Suns1nE · 12/05/2025 08:07

The “problem” with access arrangements isn’t the arrangements themselves it’s that there will be students that would benefit from some level of additional support but don’t get it because it’s not severe enough. That middle group that don’t quite meet the criteria for help but can’t achieve the necessary levels without it.

the system needs to spend more time looking at other ways to measure ability and remove the barriers in the first place rather than just giving some assistance to work round them

Bringmecookies25 · 12/05/2025 08:06

Hedonism · 12/05/2025 06:32

The best thing about having a child in y6 is knowing that the class WhatsApp group only has a few weeks left to run 🙌🏼

I hear this !!!!

OP posts:
itsgettingweird · 12/05/2025 08:00

People are ignorant.

My ds had access arrangements for GCSEs and still got a range of grades from 4-9’s. This is because he doesn’t do better with the help - it just means he can reach his full potential.

maybe just a simple link to the access arrangements guide and nothing else would be a good response?

You’ll never educate those who don’t want to be educated but maybe those who didn’t have an issue before and have been persuaded to have one now will read it and change their minds back?

Hohofortherobbers · 12/05/2025 08:00

1AngelicFruitCake · 12/05/2025 05:50

My child has extra time and a poster on another thread referred to them as ‘dumb kids’. My child is desperate to get expected. Left to do it without time pressure they’d be a high expected but even with extra time im
worried they won’t get expected ☹️

I saw that thread, it hurt me too.
My ds will have a reader for him today and will reach his full potential due to this. I am very proud of him

VeterinaryCareAssistant · 12/05/2025 07:44

Nobody actually cares about SATs other than year 6 teachers.

Sherararara · 12/05/2025 07:39

Combinatorix · 12/05/2025 06:59

I can recommend leaving the whatsapp group, I left when my eldest was in year 6 and never joined another one

This. Best thing about moving to secondary was leaving the class whatsapp group!

reluctantbrit · 12/05/2025 07:37

Just tell yourself - 2 more months and you may never need to speak to some parents again.

DD is sitting A-Levels from next week onwards, extra time, smaller room and rest breaks. All these adjustments were given after long and difficult discussions and diagnosis.

I am sure she would prefer normal exam circumstances and not having ASD/ADHD.

LondonNootropics · 12/05/2025 07:37

MikeRafone · 12/05/2025 05:07

I’d add this photograph to the WhatsApp group and just put under -

the stacking boxes are the access arrangements in the sats, is this what you want to take away from those kids that need them?

This is exactly what came to my mind! I’d share this and say ‘be thankful your child doesn’t need access arrangements, but also feel confident that it has no impact on anyone but the children involved’
I wish people would mind their own business!!! 💐

Goditsmemargaret · 12/05/2025 07:22

I would respond exactly what you wrote in the last paragraph about them not understanding and the point of it is to make things equal.

However I'd prefix with something like "I had to take a day to respond here as I was so upset by these remarks I needed to make sure I was calm"

Then finish with
"That's all I have to say. I won't be entering into a debate about this."

UpsideDownChairs · 12/05/2025 07:09

My eldest is allowed to type. If he wasn't allowed to type that would be it - he wouldn't be passing anything (I pity his poor maths teacher because that's the one exam he can't type).

These accommodations let the kids prove what they know.

I do have some concerns that in the big, wide world, these accommodations obviously won't always be available - but TBH, only a little bit, modern tech is coming on so much that living without writing or reading is becoming more and more accessible.

Sapana · 12/05/2025 07:04

Happyinarcon · 12/05/2025 04:31

People are losing faith in schools and in how their child’s learning is managed in comparison to others. While it’s obvious that some children need additional support I can fully understand how it can look unfair and confusing, especially as some kids are left on waiting lists for ages and ignored

They need to focus on their own child and their own child's needs and not the help another child is getting. If they feel their child doesn't have the access arrangements they need, they need to speak to the teacher. Otherwise they need to back off from another child's learning which is nothing to do with them.

skelter83 · 12/05/2025 07:04

All children can have the questions read to them during the tests (apart from the reading paper).

PinkCentipede · 12/05/2025 07:02

@LivelyCrab

DD has an EHCP, and my experience of school so far has been a school trying to reject her placement (which I now fear may happen throughout her education), DD being completely overlooked because she is well behaved/extremely quiet, arguments with the SENCO, general dislike/ostracisation/emails ignored/battle over provision. I’m not seeing the EHCP as some sort of ‘bonus’ - at all. While I think a few people may try and fix the system, the SEN Mum’s I know have very genuine and valid concerns.

Combinatorix · 12/05/2025 06:59

I can recommend leaving the whatsapp group, I left when my eldest was in year 6 and never joined another one

frozendaisy · 12/05/2025 06:55

So Henry is just as whiny “it’s not fair on me” as his parents.
(SATS aren’t that hard IF your child is academically decent which is what you need for top set anything we didn’t do a scrap of revision at home barely noticed they happened at school.
We just get our kids to concentrate on their own exams, to the point I asked our eldest if anyone got extra time in his school because he had never mentioned it, asked how does that work leaving the room, “oh they sit at the front”)

So it would be tempting to message in the Group
”you can’t polish a turd Susan”
but probably not advisable!

Peaceandquietandacuppa · 12/05/2025 06:54

Bringmecookies25 · 12/05/2025 04:17

This is the same reason as us !!
Like dc has a scribe - well because dc literally can not use their right arm 🙈🙈

although I do find it funny like what were they expecting as an alternative 🤣🤣

Edited

You can’t argue with stupid. I’d be tempted to screenshot and send to the school. Ask them to invite the parents in for a chat about why some kids need accommodations.

ladyvimes · 12/05/2025 06:51

Y6 teacher here. Loads of kids have access arrangements for all different reasons and has nothing to do with ability. These parents are ignorant. Don’t waste your time on them. Good luck to your son this week!

LivelyCrab · 12/05/2025 06:45

Your son clearly needs extra time in his exams and you should ignore these WhatsApp comments.

However, I do think there’s a broader issue that this discussion flags up. In DSs class over a third of kids have extra help / time. That’s a huge number. So what happens to a kid who doesn’t have a specific diagnosis but is slow at exams, or isn’t able to hold information well, or just aren’t that bright. They’re also at a disadvantage, so why shouldn’t they get help?

I don’t know what the solution is. I suspect it’s reform of the whole education system.

Jinglejanglenamechanged25 · 12/05/2025 06:44

I’d probably say if Henry has SEN and needs additional support then it can be arranged for him, I spoke to xyz for my Jonny.

Secretsquirels · 12/05/2025 06:40

The other option is to reply to the ranty mum with something passive aggressive like

This message comes across like you’re wishing something like cerebral palsy onto DC so they’d get more exam support. I’m sure it’s not what you intended, but I promise you life would be a lot harder on you and him if he had it, and the exam arrangements would be the last of your worries.

1AngelicFruitCake · 12/05/2025 06:38

bigvig · 12/05/2025 05:45

I understand some children need rest breaks smaller rooms etc. However I also see as a teacher that's it's often the children of more affluent /pushy patents that make sure their children get what they can in terms of access arrangements. I don't blame them for this i blame the process for assessing need. Look for example at the difference between private and state schools. It's not that hard to get extra time etc if you know what to say and do in the 'assessment'..

Perhaps I’d be classed in that way but it’s my experience that because my child is well behaved, stable family life and isn’t on anyone’s radar she’s more likely not to get noticed.

It’s the teachers job to speak up for those children that need the extra time (I say this as a teacher).

Silvertulips · 12/05/2025 06:36

Hopefully the kids will grow up to be less thick and ignorant than the parents

I agree. My children were a lot kinder to those who needed help, they had understanding.

Sounds more like the queen bee has spoken and the others are you jumping to her tune.

It’s like the ‘I don’t mean YOU, but …..

Id ignore it.

The rest of the world gets it.

jeaux90 · 12/05/2025 06:36

OP tell them treating everyone the same is sometimes the most unfair thing to do.

My DD16 has always had extra time and to be honest I’m not convinced it helps, they are more exhausted as they spend more time in exams especially on the days (like this week in her GCSEs) she has two in one day.

These people are stupid, feel free to tell them that.

HerNeighbourTotoro · 12/05/2025 06:32

bigvig · 12/05/2025 05:45

I understand some children need rest breaks smaller rooms etc. However I also see as a teacher that's it's often the children of more affluent /pushy patents that make sure their children get what they can in terms of access arrangements. I don't blame them for this i blame the process for assessing need. Look for example at the difference between private and state schools. It's not that hard to get extra time etc if you know what to say and do in the 'assessment'..

Totally not my experience as a teacher not parent of an SEN child.

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