Do phalloplasties actually work?

Reminds me of this:

https://www.tylervigen.com/spurious-correlations

So Kate Dolatowski didn't happen?

So none of these happened? https://x.com/CassieDebus/status/1917518096254001260

I'd disagree that they don't think it makes them a better person and I'm not only worried about young people in countries with socialised medicine either. Partly because those of us in such countries can travel abroad for private surgery we couldn't afford here if it isn't given on the NHS.

I work in research.

That's basically a piece of social media listening. Not a proper, sampled poll like the YouGov piece.

This kind of research can be useful in identifying themes, but literally no one would ever use it as a representative piece as the data is not representative in the slightest and there will be huge selection bias even in the data looked at.

So when you said yesterday morning on this thread you were being economical with the truth?

"Listen, I'm really really against this trans teen stuff. Like massively against it. I thought this site was a collection of people who felt similarly and it kind of is. I'm disappointed that the arguments against held by a lot of members are weak though. There isn't consistency on your fears around these issues and so it comes across like you are just bigoted"

You've now outed yourself as a transactivist, "associated with" some of the trans lobby groups? It does explain your tactics of making allegations against posters that bear no relation to what they've actually said. Also explains why you might be desperate to stop women, mothers, parents from learning more about this brutal experimental surgery being conducted on young women.

Yes the pp is missing the very obvious point aren't they. While we may not choose cosmetic surgery for ourselves if people want to pay for it then that is their choice. They aren't getting boob implants under the delusion that it makes them a different sex, or a different person.

The vulnerable people who believe that body alterations change their sex are deluded and of course have mental health issues.

I need to find the link to this for the UK. I think it was based around an FOI and it showed that women weren't being sexually harassed in toilets (specifically) by anyone. Male or female. Of course we looked at female perps in case they were men presenting as women.

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12147-016-9181-6

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s13178-018-0335-z

Again, interesting. Please share.

You see most of our research showed that the women of the general public do not fear mixed sex toilets and don't mind transwomen using them. So that's why we concluded that the whole toilet thing really wasn't going to change any minds. Talk about consent and capacity did change minds.

That’s interesting. Of course, you want to share this research, these peer reviewed studies, with us? TIA.

I'm guessing you don't work for YouGov then?
Their research showed low support for TW in female facilities, dropping lower for a TW without surgery

I bet you won’t link that research now will you?

"You see most of our research showed that the women of the general public do not fear mixed sex toilets and don't mind transwomen using them. So that's why we concluded that the whole toilet thing really wasn't going to change any minds. Talk about consent and capacity did change minds".

Gendered Intelligence maybe? Gires? Stonewall? Mermaids? All currently desperate as they watch their immensely successful grift drifting away?
Explains the level of flailing and wailing in so many posts.

Your 'research' is dodgy, because poll after poll after poll shows the overwhelming majority of women support the retention of female only single sex spaces. No woman is going to say she feels comfortable with a male exposing his penis to her in a female only space. That's common sense.

Research a few years back (I think 2020) showed that it isn't a criminal issue.

We can see from your dismissal of women and girls and their safety, privacy and dignity what you think is relevant to these issues and what you think isn’t.

You are making blanket statements that simply don’t even stand with basic scrutiny.

It may be that some male people are not presenting as women to harass women, but this is not true for all. And I would not have the confidence of saying even that the majority are not doing it in some way to transgress the boundaries of female people.

Any male being in single sex space that is not for them is transgressing boundaries to their own benefit. This is a measure of the success of their campaign to lower boundaries to be in spaces that they should be excluded from. Some people don’t recognise when their boundaries are being breached and when they should be alarmed.

There was recently a thread where a father wished to feed their infant child the secretions from their breast and attend a breastfeeding support group. The space does not have to be a toilet, it can be any space.

Not to mention that those very male people who are there for the purpose of transgressing boundaries want some degree of alarm response from others. That is part of why they transgress boundaries. Even if it is a microagression on the female person's part of looking closely at the male person who shouldn't be there.

Even if there is no alarm reaction, the thrill of the transgression of the boundaries to be where they know they should not be may be strong.
Male people with sex offence history too often show a long history of not being caught or challenged in their build up to committing serious offence. Of course, this is not to say that all male people are like that. Or all male people with transgender identities are like that.

However, this type of thinking, the one that says to overlook the male people crossing boundaries, allows the person crossing boundaries to keep going and to go further.

So repeatedly derailing a thread examining the brutal experimental surgery done on mentally vulnerable young women is because you are "associated with" certain groups.

Your arguments have repeatedly attempted to attribute to posters views about cosmetic surgery that they haven't expressed. Your desperation to silence this discussion by wedging in unrelated issues is apparent.

I can tell by the things you bring up. You might talk about this lots online, and in here, but you aren't involved on any formal level other than signing protests. If you were, you'd know what we have concluded at an organising level is relevant to these issues arta socio-political level and what isn't..

What is a MN thread going to show me?

I'd prefer actual peer reviewed research from the thousands of not millions of people we have studied around this issue. Do you have any of that?

You see most of our research showed that the women of the general public do not fear mixed sex toilets and don't mind transwomen using them. So that's why we concluded that the whole toilet thing really wasn't going to change any minds. Talk about consent and capacity did change minds.

And now we have clarification.

You have no clue what I do.

No, and you'd feel ridiculous for saying that if you knew what groups I meant or what position I hold there.

Let's just say I'm far more versed and involved with preventing young people from making life changing choices around their gender than you are.

The whole.toilet issue is a complete red herring

No, as you would realise if you gave it a second’s thought:

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/3203454-What-do-you-use-the-womens-toilets-for

Is the Sandie Peggie court case a ‘myth’ too?