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JustsamanthaJayne · 11/05/2025 12:48

So my 19 year old every 2 weeks ends up with 6 black bags of rubbish and junk in her and her 18 year olds room. The 19 year old sits there all weekends and holidays does nothing and won't use that time to sort this rubbish out
I always have to collect all the rubbish and separate it outside in the recycling bins
And im sick of it
She leaves dirty plates up there and I've lost countless cutlery
I asked her to go out with her dad today with my other kids as I just wanted to be in this house alone and not have to worry about dealing with her she's refused to go
She will now sit there all day waiting for me to sort her rubbish
I got told to 'shut the fuck up'
She skips her college lessons to the point they cut her bursery ( meant for travel costs to college) I've been called into several meetings at college for failing exams and coursework
She says its all my fault for ' not giving her motivation'
At what point does it stop being my fault and it's her that's now in the wrong ?
The only day I'm absolute child free Is every other Sunday for 3 hours and she couldn't at least go

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jenjen82 · 11/05/2025 19:21

I don’t think she’s blaming the father for all this she never even mentions anything about it until another post. I think you should talk to your other daughter to see if she knows anything, which I’m sure you’ve already tried that. Don’t let any of these posts make you feel shitty or guilty about anything. 18-19 is a tough age when you’re dealing with parents or kids or something else in general.

jenjen82 · 11/05/2025 19:16

Cucy · 11/05/2025 13:40

I asked her to go out with her dad today with my other kids as I just wanted to be in this house alone and not have to worry about dealing with her she's refused to go

This is awful.
You cannot ask your child to leave their own home for the day because you can’t be bothered ‘dealing with her’.

That’s awful and I would never say that to my child.
It’s no wonder why you two have issues.

If you want time alone then go into your bedroom.

Obviously her having rubbish in her room is not good.
My DD is similar and I regularly tell her to tidy it.
I brought a bin for her room and I then replace the bin bag when it’s full.
I told her that I’m not cleaning her room but she can ask for my help and although it’s not perfect she does ask me to help her now when she gets overwhelmed and then for the next few days it stays a bit tidier.
Its not perfect but it’s getting better.

I assume there’s no way your DDs can have their own rooms?

I feel really sorry for the 18yo in this but I would provide a bin which I would empty regularly and then leave it up to DD.
Tell her to put the rubbish in the bin and if she doesn’t then it’s on her.

You need to pick your battles and if she wants to live in a pig sty then so be it.
Tell her if she makes an effort to put rubbish in the bin, then she can ask for your help if it gets too much.

Just the process of asking for help and you doing it will help towards strengthening your relationship.

Obviously there are much bigger issues here and these need to be dealt with more than the rubbish in the room.

I don’t think she’s being unreasonable her daughter is 18 or 19 years old and old enough to hear her mom needs a break, she should be able to understand that . And the mom can go to her room any other time, the poor woman just wants the whole house to herself , which I can’t say I can blame her. And if her daughter never leaves the house than yes she needs to leave the house for a bit. It’s not good to be locked up and not do anything at her age that will make for mental problems. I’m 42 and I’m glad I’m a homebody, but I at least make myself go out to the store at least once a week even if I don’t want to.

TammyJones · 11/05/2025 18:02

Op
kindly… you really have to stop
blaming her dad for all of this.
I know it’s hard , but it doesn’t help.
what’s done is done.
you need to show her love and understanding
she’ll see through her dad eventually- all kids realise what a bad father is in the end.
Ban food from the bedroom is a good start and then , gently try to start and reconnect with her.

Mrsttcno1 · 11/05/2025 17:53

Different issues here:

  1. The rubbish & mess in her room, stop clearing it. Her room, her mess, not your job. If she wants to live in filth then let her, she’s learning absolutely nothing if you always swoop in and do it.

  2. Asking her to leave the house, her home, because you can’t be bothered to deal with her is awful, stop doing that.

  3. The college issues, as with number 1, drop the rope. She’s 19, she can study or not study, the outcome will reflect whatever she puts in and you cannot somebody to revise or work hard. Speak to her about it, encourage her, talk about the work together and look at potential career’s etc, try to make the bigger picture clear for her about work vs reward, but at the end of the day only she can decide whether or not to put the work in.

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 11/05/2025 17:45

JustsamanthaJayne · 11/05/2025 17:37

I don't belittle her at all.. I've asked her to do the most basics of things.
Not asking her to tidy the whole house but just to bring down her plates and clear her rubbish
I would never kick her out.. just because I wanted to be alone for a few hours doesn't make me a bad person doesn't mean I'm going to kick her out
Yes her father said some horrible things but that doesn't mean I deserve to be punished for it.
I've tried to talk to her she's not interested and that's not my fault either
If her dad has slated me to her and she's now believing his every word I cant change that
And no none of my children are the 'golden child'
We don't have a relationship because of her father not because i 'belittle her' because i don't
Asking her to do the basics of things isn't belittling
I struggle to but I at least do the basics i don't sit there and eat a bag of crisps and launch it on the floor and leave it there and let it mount up where do you draw the line
If I eat food I don't leave plates mounting up I put food in bin and wash my plates
I have possible ADHD ( as suggested by my nurologist im just waiting to see if my GP agrees to refer me its in their hands)
And yes so that means my daughter could possibly have it but we need to pull together and do the basics like where do I draw the line ? Do i just do everything and take on all the problems and overwelm myself too much as well? Like at what age can I sit back and say right your older enough now ??
Age 19 and your saying i must still be lenient and tidy her room and mess as well as the house and the other children's
Like at what point am I allowed to say to her 'your old enough to take responsibility ' without being accused of belittling

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It absolutely isn't your fault that your ex said some horrible things about you to your dd. But that isn't her fault either.

You say that you've tried to talk and that she isn't interested, and that's not your fault, but you seem to have sort of given up on her. Why do you think you can't change the way she sees you?

Being honest, it sounds like you're both really struggling, so I'm not trying to be critical, but you are the parent here... you need to try and take some initiative to fix the relationship. I understand how hard it must be to be without your own private space etc, but your dd also sounds like she is desperately unhappy.

And yes, she is an adult and she needs to start taking responsibility for stuff herself. Absolutely. But you're also her parent and it is your job to help her get there.

thepariscrimefiles · 11/05/2025 17:44

JustsamanthaJayne · 11/05/2025 13:19

Also me and the 19 year old do have a rocky relationship (due to years of parental alienation from her dad) and he caused a lot of issues
Her dad hasn't been the best yet she treats him with so much care and respect but I don't get any!
She has a boyfriend ( who actually treats her well) and she will leave her room and house to meet up with hi

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Can she go and live with her dad if she thinks he is so marvellous and you are so awful?

JustsamanthaJayne · 11/05/2025 17:37

Jen579 · 11/05/2025 16:26

Your poor daughter, told that her mother won't love/care about her when she's an adult - and now it's all coming true.

Can't you see what's going on here OP? Her self esteem is through the floor, I expect she's depressed and anxious because she's been emotionally abused by her father. It's sickening that people say just kick her out. She may also be testing your love after the abuse from her father - she needs you more than ever right now and you've got no time for her from the sounds of it.

It's all very well saying she has access to counselling but for whatever reason she doesn't feel able to go. She needs a load of support and encouragement, not belittling by calling it 'baby sitting'. It sounds like she really struggles with executive function, this is commonly part of ND conditions such as ASD and ADHD. This will be why she forgets things.

Her father has emotionally abused her, she is failing at college and you belittle her. It's absolutely no wonder to me that she is the way she is. She's been failed by both her parents poor thing - and no doubt her sister is the golden child.

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I don't belittle her at all.. I've asked her to do the most basics of things.
Not asking her to tidy the whole house but just to bring down her plates and clear her rubbish
I would never kick her out.. just because I wanted to be alone for a few hours doesn't make me a bad person doesn't mean I'm going to kick her out
Yes her father said some horrible things but that doesn't mean I deserve to be punished for it.
I've tried to talk to her she's not interested and that's not my fault either
If her dad has slated me to her and she's now believing his every word I cant change that
And no none of my children are the 'golden child'
We don't have a relationship because of her father not because i 'belittle her' because i don't
Asking her to do the basics of things isn't belittling
I struggle to but I at least do the basics i don't sit there and eat a bag of crisps and launch it on the floor and leave it there and let it mount up where do you draw the line
If I eat food I don't leave plates mounting up I put food in bin and wash my plates
I have possible ADHD ( as suggested by my nurologist im just waiting to see if my GP agrees to refer me its in their hands)
And yes so that means my daughter could possibly have it but we need to pull together and do the basics like where do I draw the line ? Do i just do everything and take on all the problems and overwelm myself too much as well? Like at what age can I sit back and say right your older enough now ??
Age 19 and your saying i must still be lenient and tidy her room and mess as well as the house and the other children's
Like at what point am I allowed to say to her 'your old enough to take responsibility ' without being accused of belittling

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Jen579 · 11/05/2025 16:26

Your poor daughter, told that her mother won't love/care about her when she's an adult - and now it's all coming true.

Can't you see what's going on here OP? Her self esteem is through the floor, I expect she's depressed and anxious because she's been emotionally abused by her father. It's sickening that people say just kick her out. She may also be testing your love after the abuse from her father - she needs you more than ever right now and you've got no time for her from the sounds of it.

It's all very well saying she has access to counselling but for whatever reason she doesn't feel able to go. She needs a load of support and encouragement, not belittling by calling it 'baby sitting'. It sounds like she really struggles with executive function, this is commonly part of ND conditions such as ASD and ADHD. This will be why she forgets things.

Her father has emotionally abused her, she is failing at college and you belittle her. It's absolutely no wonder to me that she is the way she is. She's been failed by both her parents poor thing - and no doubt her sister is the golden child.

MyBigBoots · 11/05/2025 15:59

Sorry if it’s already been mentioned and I missed it, but you / she might want to look into possible ADHD. Lack of motivation, low mood, forgetfulness etc, are all classic signs.

MyCyanReader · 11/05/2025 15:52

You chose to have children and when they need support and parenting, then your YOU time goes out the window. That's life. They'll all leave home one day then you can have plenty of time to yourself.

Take your daughter out for a walk. Try speaking to her and laying down some ground rules. No food in rooms.

If she cannot keep the room tidy then she will lose the privilege of a room. You cam have her bed and share with the 18 year old and she will sleep on the sofa.

Make the rules and consequences very clear.

How many kids have you got?

TeenyTotAndTiny · 11/05/2025 15:48

At what point does it stop being my fault and it's her that's now in the wrong ?

It stops when you put boundaries in place and she learns some respect. She needs to sort her shit out!

DontReplyIWillLie · 11/05/2025 15:44

CharlieAndMoose · 11/05/2025 14:44

Never had this happen on the grounds of age, only if it's a safeguarding concern.

All that means is that no one has ever requested it.

feelingbleh · 11/05/2025 15:37

I think its time to go back to basics. These are the house rules write them down and if their not followed she knows where the door is.
No food and drink upstairs
Clean up after yourself
Clean your room
Don't swear
Be kind and respectful to others

Away2000 · 11/05/2025 15:30

I would ban food in bedrooms. It must be unpleasant for the 18 year old to deal with that in her room. Obviously the behaviour is unacceptable, but things like never leaving the house, poor hygiene, losing things and leaving cookers on can be a sign of neurodivergence. Arrange a time to have a proper conversation with her and give your perspective on why things need to change and ask what you can do to support her.

Butchyrestingface · 11/05/2025 15:29

Away2000 · 11/05/2025 15:25

At 19 in college I had to sign a document giving permission for my college to contact my parent if needed.

My flabber is a bit gasted at the notion a college could legally contact the parents of an adult to discuss performance/attendance issues without their consent simply because they are no longer government funded.

Not doubting the truth of it; it doesn't sit comfortably with me. Surprised there aren't GDPR implications.

Away2000 · 11/05/2025 15:25

CharlieAndMoose · 11/05/2025 14:44

Never had this happen on the grounds of age, only if it's a safeguarding concern.

At 19 in college I had to sign a document giving permission for my college to contact my parent if needed.

Butchyrestingface · 11/05/2025 15:13

Gustavo77 · 11/05/2025 12:53

You're way over thinking this and making an issue out of something that really isn't an issue. No wonder your daughter is cheesed off and that's without even commenting on you trying to get her out of her own house today. Try and get some help for your own issues and I'm sure things around you will improve as a result.

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Are you the bin bag?

JLou08 · 11/05/2025 15:10

JustsamanthaJayne · 11/05/2025 14:22

No she's always lived with me
Her dad left me for another woman when she was 12 and ever since he's called me names to her used her as a messenger to pass co parenting messages he's bad mouthed me to her
He told her I won't care about her once she's an adult. He's told her a couple years back i only want her for the benefits and the other kids
Told the kids I'm a bad mum and I'm lazy this that and the other
He's consistently been late for the kids let them down last minute ect.
He caused a lot of damage to us all even when ive asked him to stop.
Some things are now unrepairable
She's said he doesn't slate me to her anymore and things but it's a little too late the damage has already been done

Your OP sounds like your living up to what he said, concern she had lost her bursary rather than that she might be messing up her future, wanting her out of the house so you can have a break even though she stays in her room. No apparent insight into her needs. It sounds like she needs a lot of support, it's not normal for a 19 year old to forget to turn a cooker off and not be able to keep their room clean, it sounds like she is really struggling and it sounds like you just want rid of her.

Cucy · 11/05/2025 14:59

How many kids do you have and how many bedrooms?

The fact that you’re sleeping on the sofa definitely makes things worse because you have no escape.

But you should still never tell a child you want them to go out for the day because you don’t want to have to deal with them.
Why not just encourage them to spend time with their dad for their own benefit.

Why does she not live with her dad if they get on so well?

CharlieAndMoose · 11/05/2025 14:44

DontReplyIWillLie · 11/05/2025 14:10

The students can refuse permission for you to do this though. You might do it as standard, but if they specifically request you don’t, you have to agree.

Never had this happen on the grounds of age, only if it's a safeguarding concern.

londongirl12 · 11/05/2025 14:36

I don’t understand what all the rubbish is? We don’t produce 6 black bags of rubbish every 2 weeks as a family of 3!

MayaPinion · 11/05/2025 14:30

Change the WiFi password until she has cleaned up. Take the router to work so she can’t access it during the day. Stop bringing snacks into the house so she has less crap to eat. Clear out her room including her clothes and and get rid of anything she doesn’t need. Put back only the essentials. That way there’s less stuff to make a mess.

DelphiniumBlue · 11/05/2025 14:28

You're in a very difficult position, and I really sympathise. The fact that you don't even have your own bedroom ( so no escape) makes it worse.
I didn't quite understand the key issue, if she's lost her keys then she has to manage without, and wait for someone to let her in. Or are you saying that she'd go out leaving the house unlocked?
She sounds very young and irresponsible for her age, and also depressed. I see that she's been offered help by the college but not taken them up on it. Does she have any sort of diagnosis?
I suspect she'd manage better out of college and with a job, although that's easier said than done. I expect you've already talked to her about contributing to the household, and if you are that overcrowded I'm assuming things are financially tight. I think you are going to need to get tough, not chucking her out , but requiring her to meet certain minimum standards. For example, if she's got all that rubbish in her room, presumably that is take away boxes. Where is the money for that coming from? Anyway, whatever it is, no food in the bedroom, no money at all, and a conversation with her Dad, if you are on speaking terms. I agree that Wifi needs to go off, and I would suggest trying to get her to the GP to see if they can help.

JustsamanthaJayne · 11/05/2025 14:22

Cucy · 11/05/2025 13:42

Also me and the 19 year old do have a rocky relationship (due to years of parental alienation from her dad) and he caused a lot of issues

Can you explain this a bit more?
Has she only recently come to live with you?

No she's always lived with me
Her dad left me for another woman when she was 12 and ever since he's called me names to her used her as a messenger to pass co parenting messages he's bad mouthed me to her
He told her I won't care about her once she's an adult. He's told her a couple years back i only want her for the benefits and the other kids
Told the kids I'm a bad mum and I'm lazy this that and the other
He's consistently been late for the kids let them down last minute ect.
He caused a lot of damage to us all even when ive asked him to stop.
Some things are now unrepairable
She's said he doesn't slate me to her anymore and things but it's a little too late the damage has already been done

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Happyinarcon · 11/05/2025 14:22

Can you get her on some adhd medication? It would help her through college and get her room clean, it’s a quick fix

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