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To think forced starvation is just plain evil!

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Farticus101 · 11/05/2025 07:42

On the BBC today. The UN has condemned using man made starvation as a war tactic. Surely we can come to a general consensus that whatever you think about the conflict, Israel's actions here are just plain evil?

www.theguardian.com/world/2025/may/11/there-is-suffering-everywhere-you-look-says-mother-of-emaciated-baby-girl-trapped-in-gaza

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Mylegishangingoff · 11/05/2025 19:34

Comedycook · 11/05/2025 19:29

Horror post? So ridiculous

I've said there's food scarcity

I haven't once suggested that starving children is a fantastic thing

I'm questioning the narrative that we've been fed for the duration of this current conflict...How long can people survive without food? Not for 18 months that's for sure. Teetering on the brink of famine for 18 months? Really? The crowds at the hostage release certainly didn't look emaciated did they?

But nobody has said there has been no food for 18months. Nobody at all, ever, anywhere. Aid has stopped and started, aid has been stopped for certain areas. Since March 2 there has been no aid at all(and still no one is saying there is no food at all) which is why this discussion is back again. Biden had to force Israel to start providing aid again at one stage by saying no more bombs if you keep starving people so Israel restarted. Do you not remember any of this? Is it just that you are really uninformed not heartless as it appears?

ssd · 11/05/2025 19:30

Potsofpetals · 11/05/2025 09:39

Well said. Isreal is doing nothing more than stand its ground. These ‘civilians’ that are now ‘starving’ danced in the streets when Hamas raped and murdered innocent people.

Zero sympathy do I have. It is a lesson to each and every supporter of radical terrorists. You rape, bomb, murder. This is what will happen to you.

Zero sympathy. For the children, babies, medical staff, journalists and innocent civilians bombed, shot and murdered. 52000 plus souls. And how many of them were the terrorists described in the above post?

Zero sympathy. I cant get over that.

Comedycook · 11/05/2025 19:29

DrPrunesqualer · 11/05/2025 19:19

Disgusting

I wonder if mumsnetters horror at this post will make you think again at how truly appalling this comment is. …..
It’s not your first horror post on this thread…..

Horror post? So ridiculous

I've said there's food scarcity

I haven't once suggested that starving children is a fantastic thing

I'm questioning the narrative that we've been fed for the duration of this current conflict...How long can people survive without food? Not for 18 months that's for sure. Teetering on the brink of famine for 18 months? Really? The crowds at the hostage release certainly didn't look emaciated did they?

JaneJeffer · 11/05/2025 19:27

But there's so much anger on the thread that people aren't listening.
where’s all this anger? I only see disbelief that some people think starving other people is perfectly fine and reasonable

DrPrunesqualer · 11/05/2025 19:21

ssd · 11/05/2025 19:17

I know who you mean. I wrote a reply then deleted it as i dont want to get to their level..
And its not even the above post from comedycook.

It looks like I’ve missed the worst then.
I don’t even want to imagine worse

Twiglets1 · 11/05/2025 19:21

DrPrunesqualer · 11/05/2025 18:39

Thankyou for saying it.

I haven’t seen any others actually say it though
Ive been attacked for being apparently nieve in thinking it’s not that difficult to work out what is and isn’t Evil.

@JandamiHash is getting the most flack on this thread. They have stated that "The assumption that everyone who voted YABU must love starving children is very odd and obtuse indeed." They then attempted to explain to another user that "you've answered in direct response to that exact question, but others haven't".

They then stated that they think others believe "because I haven't rushed on with dramatic statements that I am justifying starvation. I'm not."

Pro- Israel people like them (and me) are trying to explain it's wrong to take the 21% (or whatever percentage it currently is) as meaning 21% think starvation is ok. But there's so much anger on the thread that people aren't listening.

DrPrunesqualer · 11/05/2025 19:19

Comedycook · 11/05/2025 18:50

I mean it's the boy who cried wolf isn't it? On the brink of famine... teetering on the brink... imminent danger ... we've heard this for months...

Disgusting

I wonder if mumsnetters horror at this post will make you think again at how truly appalling this comment is. …..
It’s not your first horror post on this thread…..

ssd · 11/05/2025 19:17

Moglet4 · 11/05/2025 19:13

There’s at least one person on this thread whose. comments are so vile I can barely read them without bile in my throat. They are really quite vocal and have very much suggested that starving a population is justified.

I know who you mean. I wrote a reply then deleted it as i dont want to get to their level..
And its not even the above post from comedycook.

Martymcfly24 · 11/05/2025 19:17

ssd · 11/05/2025 19:14

This is beyond appalling. You should be really ashamed of yourself.

I think we have reached a new low on Mumsnet.

Not like we can get verified pictures of the emaciated bodies that some posters would believe as the IDF keep killing bloody journalists too .

Mylegishangingoff · 11/05/2025 19:17

Comedycook · 11/05/2025 19:04

I've no doubt there's food scarcity.

Edited to say ..forgot to quote pp

Edited

So you have no doubt that there is 'food scarcity', enough that the most vulnerable in society like babies and children and the disabled are becoming emaciated but you still think that 'it's the boy who cried wolf'. Right. What would you have to see before you don't think 'it's the boy who cried wolf' and you take the situation seriously, emaciated children and what?

ssd · 11/05/2025 19:14

Comedycook · 11/05/2025 18:50

I mean it's the boy who cried wolf isn't it? On the brink of famine... teetering on the brink... imminent danger ... we've heard this for months...

This is beyond appalling. You should be really ashamed of yourself.

Moglet4 · 11/05/2025 19:13

Twiglets1 · 11/05/2025 17:54

It's not at all true to say that pro Israeli supporters are unable to say that starving Palestinian civilians is evil.

I'm pro Israel but have explicitly stated that I am against the Israel government withholding humanitarian aid into Gaza. I have also seen the other pro Israel people on this thread say similar things.

Some people just get hysterical when any pro Israel sentiment is expressed and start accusing others of holding awful views. It's easy to see how wars start when we are so quick to believe the worst of each other!

It's been explained over and over again that no one on this thread agrees with forced starvation. I'm actually worried about the emotional wellbeing of some of the people contributing to this thread because they are getting so much abuse just for saying the situation in Gaza is not straightforward. I hope everyone's ok - I for one know that you have NOT implied you think it's ok for people to starve.

There’s at least one person on this thread whose. comments are so vile I can barely read them without bile in my throat. They are really quite vocal and have very much suggested that starving a population is justified.

Moglet4 · 11/05/2025 19:09

Joyunlimited · 11/05/2025 10:19

The fact that you could write this and clearly think it’s fine for civilians to be abducted from their homes and held prisoner says a lot about you.

Edited

Well that’s just a ridiculous comment.

Comedycook · 11/05/2025 19:04

I've no doubt there's food scarcity.

Edited to say ..forgot to quote pp

Mylegishangingoff · 11/05/2025 19:00

Comedycook · 11/05/2025 18:59

I'm not saying everyone is eating well and is well nourished. I'm saying if we believed everything we've been told about the food situation, there would barely be a single person left.

But you believe that the emaciated children that you have seen are not well nourished? Why do you think that is?

Comedycook · 11/05/2025 18:59

Mylegishangingoff · 11/05/2025 18:57

You aren't answering my question. You say yourself you have seen emaciated children, is that the boy who cried wolf? I don't understand how on one hand you are saying you've seen emaciated children but on the other hand you don't believe there is any food scarcity? What do you think is happening to the emaciated children you have seen, the 5 month old baby Siwar that I posted the on article about earlier on in the thread why do you think she is wasting away?

Edited

I'm not saying everyone is eating well and is well nourished. I'm saying if we believed everything we've been told about the food situation, there would barely be a single person left.

DrPrunesqualer · 11/05/2025 18:59

Thegreyhound · 11/05/2025 18:53

This is a really appalling post on a thread I already thought had some of the worst takes I’ve ever seen on mumsnet

Agree Greyhound
I thought the one on an earlier page was bad but I’m just horrified at this. I’m also sad to think some think like this with such a complete lack of any sort of care. Devoid of empathy

Palestinians are being starved to death and apparently they are crying wolf

Ffs … get a grip people

Mylegishangingoff · 11/05/2025 18:57

Comedycook · 11/05/2025 18:50

I mean it's the boy who cried wolf isn't it? On the brink of famine... teetering on the brink... imminent danger ... we've heard this for months...

You aren't answering my question. You say yourself you have seen emaciated children, is that the boy who cried wolf? I don't understand how on one hand you are saying you've seen emaciated children but on the other hand you don't believe there is any food scarcity? What do you think is happening to the emaciated children you have seen, the 5 month old baby Siwar that I posted the on article about earlier on in the thread why do you think she is wasting away?

Thegreyhound · 11/05/2025 18:53

Comedycook · 11/05/2025 18:50

I mean it's the boy who cried wolf isn't it? On the brink of famine... teetering on the brink... imminent danger ... we've heard this for months...

This is a really appalling post on a thread I already thought had some of the worst takes I’ve ever seen on mumsnet

Comedycook · 11/05/2025 18:50

Mylegishangingoff · 11/05/2025 18:45

Are you not aware that Israel has not allowed aid in since March 2? Of course things have gotten worse since then, Israel have stopped and restricted aid before now but really how do you think people will survive with no aid, farmland all destroyed, fishermen being shot? Genuinely how do you think people will stay alive and healthy? You seem to be waving away what is happening right now so honestly how do you think people will eat enough to prevent malnutrition right now? I would love a straight forward answer from you.

I mean it's the boy who cried wolf isn't it? On the brink of famine... teetering on the brink... imminent danger ... we've heard this for months...

RandomWordsThrownTogether · 11/05/2025 18:49

Hiddenmnetter · 11/05/2025 18:41

surely the question ought to be why is Hamas starving the Gazans? Israeli blocking of aid trucks is, in effect, neither here nor there. If they send aid trucks in they don’t get to the Gazans anyway. So stopping the supply of aid which is being highjacked by Hamas seems a sensible tactic to cut off the logistical supply for the opposition forces. And before you “ask for sources” even Mahmoud Abbas has admitted that Hamas gangs are doing this (see wafa website).

Bit hard to blame Israel if Hamas will hijack trucks and steal from aid agencies before letting all the civilians eat.

It’s a bit of a reach to try and blame the famine on Hamas. Israel has taken most of the farm land turning the land into Kill Zones and then blocked food from getting into Gaza. There is no food for Hamas to steal anymore - Israel is deliberately starving people, including women and children. I don’t understand how people can see the pictures of starving people, kids losing their hair, their nails, their eyesight because of starvation. As a mother I can not imagine having to watch your child slowly starve to death and not be able to do anything to help them. It is unimaginably barbaric and sociopathic. How can that be anyone’s fault other than the IDF’s who made them reliant on aid by taking their farm lands and then blocked food from coming in.

DrPrunesqualer · 11/05/2025 18:48

Mylegishangingoff · 11/05/2025 18:45

Are you not aware that Israel has not allowed aid in since March 2? Of course things have gotten worse since then, Israel have stopped and restricted aid before now but really how do you think people will survive with no aid, farmland all destroyed, fishermen being shot? Genuinely how do you think people will stay alive and healthy? You seem to be waving away what is happening right now so honestly how do you think people will eat enough to prevent malnutrition right now? I would love a straight forward answer from you.

According to past posts apparently they aren’t thin enough yet

DrPrunesqualer · 11/05/2025 18:47

Twiglets1 · 11/05/2025 18:42

It is correct that Israel did not agree to the ceasefire because Hamas were not offering a permanent ceasefire.

And yes, it would seem that Netanyahu has changed his goals so getting the hostages back is no longer his first priority.

He hasn’t changed his goals

Im assuming you are aware of his speech ( and redrawn maps ) at the UN meeting Sept 2023
He clearly stated his goals then
Nothing has changed

Mylegishangingoff · 11/05/2025 18:45

Comedycook · 11/05/2025 18:26

Well in so far as during times of food scarcity, the very young are the most vulnerable. But this conflict has been going on for 18 months.... we've been told since the start that they are on the brink of famine...

Are you not aware that Israel has not allowed aid in since March 2? Of course things have gotten worse since then, Israel have stopped and restricted aid before now but really how do you think people will survive with no aid, farmland all destroyed, fishermen being shot? Genuinely how do you think people will stay alive and healthy? You seem to be waving away what is happening right now so honestly how do you think people will eat enough to prevent malnutrition right now? I would love a straight forward answer from you.

DrPrunesqualer · 11/05/2025 18:45

Hiddenmnetter · 11/05/2025 18:41

surely the question ought to be why is Hamas starving the Gazans? Israeli blocking of aid trucks is, in effect, neither here nor there. If they send aid trucks in they don’t get to the Gazans anyway. So stopping the supply of aid which is being highjacked by Hamas seems a sensible tactic to cut off the logistical supply for the opposition forces. And before you “ask for sources” even Mahmoud Abbas has admitted that Hamas gangs are doing this (see wafa website).

Bit hard to blame Israel if Hamas will hijack trucks and steal from aid agencies before letting all the civilians eat.

Proof