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To think forced starvation is just plain evil!

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Farticus101 · 11/05/2025 07:42

On the BBC today. The UN has condemned using man made starvation as a war tactic. Surely we can come to a general consensus that whatever you think about the conflict, Israel's actions here are just plain evil?

www.theguardian.com/world/2025/may/11/there-is-suffering-everywhere-you-look-says-mother-of-emaciated-baby-girl-trapped-in-gaza

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Comedycook · 11/05/2025 21:39

smallglassbottle · 11/05/2025 21:34

Evil leadership? Many countries.

I wasn't asking you. I was asking the poster who has declared that "Israel is evil". Big difference between criticising leadership or government and declaring an entire nation as evil.

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smallglassbottle · 11/05/2025 21:34

Comedycook · 11/05/2025 21:30

Do you think any other countries are 'evil' by the way or just Israel?

Evil leadership? Many countries.

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Do you think any other countries are 'evil' by the way or just Israel?

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This is absolutely deranged

smallglassbottle · 11/05/2025 21:13

inamarina · 11/05/2025 20:57

See, what I find cynical is to somehow twist Hamas attacking Israel on October 7th into „a perfect excuse for Netanyahu“.

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Cynically realistic I'd say. He's leader of a far right government isn't he? They're not really known for being ethical or fair minded. Opportunistic though. One can hardly say he's not benefiting from the 'situation'. Time will tell of course.

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ThereIsThunderInOurHearts · 11/05/2025 20:57

There were approximately 10,000 Palestinians held in Israeli prison, most without charge, before October 7th, some of them since childhood.

When people call for the release of the hostages, I do hope they also mean the Palestinians unlawfully held without charge, some for many, many years (technically they are hostages, not prisoners because thry haven'tbeen on trial).

Dr Abu Safiya is still detained without charge and witnesses say he is being tortured.

Israel is certainly losing public support. Both Alistair Campbell and Tory MP Mark Pritchard spoke out against Israel's actions this week.

https://www-middleeastmonitor-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.middleeastmonitor.com/20250508-british-tory-mp-withdraws-support-for-israel-over-gaza-genocide-urges-uk-to-be-on-the-right-side-of-history/amp/?amp_gsa=1&amp_js_v=a9&usqp=mq331AQIUAKwASCAAgM%3D#amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&aoh=17469932061536&csi=1&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.middleeastmonitor.com%2F20250508-british-tory-mp-withdraws-support-for-israel-over-gaza-genocide-urges-uk-to-be-on-the-right-side-of-history%2F

A Palestin8an doctor was reported to have been raped to death by the IDF according to Amnesty and other sources

https://www-tbsnews-net.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.tbsnews.net/hamas-israel-war/gaza-doctor-raped-tortured-death-israeli-custody-new-report-reveals-996631?amp=&amp_gsa=1&amp_js_v=a9&usqp=mq331AQIUAKwASCAAgM%3D#amp_ct=1746993007818&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&aoh=17469930054348&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.tbsnews.net%2Fhamas-israel-war%2Fgaza-doctor-raped-tortured-death-israeli-custody-new-report-reveals-996631

inamarina · 11/05/2025 20:57

smallglassbottle · 11/05/2025 20:44

Was it ever really about the hostages though? The situation has given Netanyahu the perfect excuse for clearing out a problematic area of the region then claiming the land for themselves. Releasing any hostages won't stop the killing. Anyone who believes otherwise is either lying or deluded. It's a cruel, cynical ploy by Netanyahu.

See, what I find cynical is to somehow twist Hamas attacking Israel on October 7th into „a perfect excuse for Netanyahu“.

smallglassbottle · 11/05/2025 20:44

Was it ever really about the hostages though? The situation has given Netanyahu the perfect excuse for clearing out a problematic area of the region then claiming the land for themselves. Releasing any hostages won't stop the killing. Anyone who believes otherwise is either lying or deluded. It's a cruel, cynical ploy by Netanyahu.

Elizacat · 11/05/2025 20:26

Joyunlimited · 11/05/2025 15:25

But are you disputing the truth of it?

VILE. And not worthy of any further response

RoadtoVima · 11/05/2025 20:25

Thegreyhound · 11/05/2025 18:53

This is a really appalling post on a thread I already thought had some of the worst takes I’ve ever seen on mumsnet

Such breathtaking callousness. This poster and another in particular are vile in their attitudes.

I stay off these threads nowadays and am berating myself for coming onto this one.

Absolutely nothing justifies what Israel is doing. Nothing.

Martymcfly24 · 11/05/2025 20:10

ssd · 11/05/2025 20:05

Wasn't it reported that the hostages families are furious with Netanyahu and his government as they feel they haven't done enough to support the hostages and he is all about saving his own career and continuing the genicide?

There were protests last night against Netanyahu in Israel for this reason.

DrPrunesqualer · 11/05/2025 20:08

You said the people at the hostage releases weren’t emaciated Comedycook
So clearly looking for it ( even though the last and current blockade was after the releases …so irrelevant )
Youve also stated adults don’t look emaciated….

In fact you were the one who first ( I think ) used the word emaciated on this thread
You did note the only people emaciated were hostages …..we’ll surprise surprise you’d say that.

Of note it’s hardly surprising hostages will look thin, Israel aren’t letting enough food and medical supplies in
There is however no excuse for the Palestinian detainees looking in such a state. No one is stopping food going to the Israeli prisons.

To think forced starvation is just plain evil!
ssd · 11/05/2025 20:05

Wasn't it reported that the hostages families are furious with Netanyahu and his government as they feel they haven't done enough to support the hostages and he is all about saving his own career and continuing the genicide?

Martymcfly24 · 11/05/2025 20:01

And I also blame Israel who are starving and killing the Gazans, they don't give a shit about them either

Martymcfly24 · 11/05/2025 20:00

yellowspanner · 11/05/2025 19:56

Why don't Hamas just release the hostages as that is why Israel are doing this.
I blame Hamas who don't care about the Gazans

It's not why they are doing it.

Netanyahu is on record for saying they will not stop even if hostages are released

Saying it's about hostages makes it more sanitised for the countries that support them because the real reason isn't half as easy for the public to support them.

yellowspanner · 11/05/2025 19:56

Why don't Hamas just release the hostages as that is why Israel are doing this.
I blame Hamas who don't care about the Gazans

Comedycook · 11/05/2025 19:51

DrPrunesqualer · 11/05/2025 19:43

How emancipated should they look Comedy to satisfy you that they have no food.
How many blockades does their need to be
How long will it take before Israeli and twitter lies can be seen for what they are …lies.

Theres no aid, medicine, food, nothing going into Gaza because of the Israeli Government. How long do pro Israeli supporters think this should last

Till the last man standing or just until they are emaciated enough.

Don't be so ridiculous and dramatic...I haven't said I wish to see anyone emaciated..

DrPrunesqualer · 11/05/2025 19:45

thepariscrimefiles · 11/05/2025 19:41

I reported that post by Potsofpetals but unfortunately it hasn't been deleted. I found it shocking.

Honestly I’ve reported loads of hate speech against Palestinians, they very very rarely get taken down

DrPrunesqualer · 11/05/2025 19:43

Comedycook · 11/05/2025 19:29

Horror post? So ridiculous

I've said there's food scarcity

I haven't once suggested that starving children is a fantastic thing

I'm questioning the narrative that we've been fed for the duration of this current conflict...How long can people survive without food? Not for 18 months that's for sure. Teetering on the brink of famine for 18 months? Really? The crowds at the hostage release certainly didn't look emaciated did they?

How emancipated should they look Comedy to satisfy you that they have no food.
How many blockades does their need to be
How long will it take before Israeli and twitter lies can be seen for what they are …lies.

Theres no aid, medicine, food, nothing going into Gaza because of the Israeli Government. How long do pro Israeli supporters think this should last

Till the last man standing or just until they are emaciated enough.

smallglassbottle · 11/05/2025 19:41

Some people won't be happy until every last Palestinian is reduced to ashes, and they'll still be muttering "but Hamas" as they're sweeping up the remains to make way for a fancy new waterfront resort.

Shame on you. Justify it all you like, but shame on you.

thepariscrimefiles · 11/05/2025 19:41

ssd · 11/05/2025 19:30

Zero sympathy. For the children, babies, medical staff, journalists and innocent civilians bombed, shot and murdered. 52000 plus souls. And how many of them were the terrorists described in the above post?

Zero sympathy. I cant get over that.

I reported that post by Potsofpetals but unfortunately it hasn't been deleted. I found it shocking.

DrPrunesqualer · 11/05/2025 19:36

Twiglets1 · 11/05/2025 19:21

@JandamiHash is getting the most flack on this thread. They have stated that "The assumption that everyone who voted YABU must love starving children is very odd and obtuse indeed." They then attempted to explain to another user that "you've answered in direct response to that exact question, but others haven't".

They then stated that they think others believe "because I haven't rushed on with dramatic statements that I am justifying starvation. I'm not."

Pro- Israel people like them (and me) are trying to explain it's wrong to take the 21% (or whatever percentage it currently is) as meaning 21% think starvation is ok. But there's so much anger on the thread that people aren't listening.

Jandamis comments were to me

I have no problem with understanding where people are coming from and really don’t need anyone making assumptions on what I think.

My point
taking on board others comments and ignoring none
If you vote you make a direct decision to do so ( after all no one has to )
If you don’t vote because 🤔 you think it’s not that simple …good for you.
so You either lurk, comment or move on …. you’re not really sure and think the question really isn’t that simple…..OK

A % may vote one way but be 51/49 in favour of their choice, which is appreciated as not exactly much of a majority decision but a majority all the same.

So the point that is disputed is whether the 21% who voted that it isn’t evil to starve civilians in war
In my view
If you go to the effort of making such a strong decision on such a Controversial question you basically believe it isn’t Evil.