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To think forced starvation is just plain evil!

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Farticus101 · 11/05/2025 07:42

On the BBC today. The UN has condemned using man made starvation as a war tactic. Surely we can come to a general consensus that whatever you think about the conflict, Israel's actions here are just plain evil?

www.theguardian.com/world/2025/may/11/there-is-suffering-everywhere-you-look-says-mother-of-emaciated-baby-girl-trapped-in-gaza

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Shrewsbury247 · 11/05/2025 09:00

Wailing ‘antisemitism’ no longer shuts down debate or discussion of this issue, the world is past that, it doesn’t work anymore.
I note you can’t answer the OP’s question, says everything really.

JandamiHash · 11/05/2025 08:58

Shrewsbury247 · 11/05/2025 08:53

Please explain how it is.

Because the Holocaust is utterly incomparable. Comparing a conflict, whereby both sides have committed criminal acts, to the mass feathering murder deportation torture and keeping in concentration camps of six million Jews is downplaying what the Jews went through. I don’t recall Hewish people being a terrorists group who raped and murdered Nazis.

If you’re actually interested in definitions of antisemitism, maybe go off the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance’s working definition of antisemitism - a charter and alliance that has a membership of 35 countries, including the UK holocaustremembrance.com/resources/working-definition-antisemitism

Lovelysummerdays · 11/05/2025 08:56

JandamiHash · 11/05/2025 08:27

Can I ask what you think would happen is Israel was no longer able to defend itself?

I’d assume it’d be a bloodbath.

Comedycook · 11/05/2025 08:54

Shrewsbury247 · 11/05/2025 08:53

Please explain how it is.

Like I said holocaust inversion. Google it.

If you don't understand why it's anti semetic then perhaps look at your own reasoning and critical thinking skills.

Comedycook · 11/05/2025 08:53

Batmanisaplaceinturkey · 11/05/2025 08:50

That didn't take long! Report my post did you?

Some if us see similarities. Genocide and ethnic cleansing is not reserved for one ethnic group meaning it can't be called out when it's used for another.

There's very few similarities between Gaza and the holocaust....unless you go for a very vague people are dying type comparison.

Why even mention the holocaust though? Surely you can make your point without doing do

Shrewsbury247 · 11/05/2025 08:53

JandamiHash · 11/05/2025 08:51

It really is. Deeply antisemitic.

Please explain how it is.

JandamiHash · 11/05/2025 08:53

Gerbilboy · 11/05/2025 08:51

Israel = another European settler colony protecting the interests of Europe and America in the middle East.

We long ago stopped equating Zionism, a dangerous racist supremacy ideology with Judaism.

Britain is colluding in the suffering of Palestine by providing fighter jet parts, intelligence and diplomatic cover for Israel, it is shameful but not surprising.

Why is Zionism dangerous?

absolutelyknackered100 · 11/05/2025 08:52

I am just devastated by the images coming out of Gaza. Write to your MP and demand our tax money stops arming Israel. It’s unconscionable to allow this to carry on.

JandamiHash · 11/05/2025 08:52

Batmanisaplaceinturkey · 11/05/2025 08:50

That didn't take long! Report my post did you?

Some if us see similarities. Genocide and ethnic cleansing is not reserved for one ethnic group meaning it can't be called out when it's used for another.

No I don’t do post reporting, id rather let people see things. It probably got removed because antisemtism is against MN guidelines.

Comedycook · 11/05/2025 08:51

Shrewsbury247 · 11/05/2025 08:50

No it’s not… do you know what antisemitism is?

It's called holocaust inversion.

JandamiHash · 11/05/2025 08:51

Shrewsbury247 · 11/05/2025 08:50

No it’s not… do you know what antisemitism is?

It really is. Deeply antisemitic.

Gerbilboy · 11/05/2025 08:51

Israel = another European settler colony protecting the interests of Europe and America in the middle East.

We long ago stopped equating Zionism, a dangerous racist supremacy ideology with Judaism.

Britain is colluding in the suffering of Palestine by providing fighter jet parts, intelligence and diplomatic cover for Israel, it is shameful but not surprising.

Batmanisaplaceinturkey · 11/05/2025 08:50

JandamiHash · 11/05/2025 08:47

Comparing the two is utterly offensive and antisemitic

That didn't take long! Report my post did you?

Some if us see similarities. Genocide and ethnic cleansing is not reserved for one ethnic group meaning it can't be called out when it's used for another.

Shrewsbury247 · 11/05/2025 08:50

JandamiHash · 11/05/2025 08:47

Comparing the two is utterly offensive and antisemitic

No it’s not… do you know what antisemitism is?

Lovelysummerdays · 11/05/2025 08:50

WhereIsMyJumper · 11/05/2025 08:32

Called it. First page and we already have ‘what about Hamas’
FFS.
Is it possible that maybe, just maybe, the actions of BOTH Hamas and the Israeli government are deplorable and that innocent people on both ‘sides’ are suffering because of it?!

This. There are no winners here. It’s just powerful people making decisions and other people are crushed by them.

Shrewsbury247 · 11/05/2025 08:48

hummousnothamas · 11/05/2025 08:39

That’s how I felt about those, the many of those, who said Israeli children, women and men deserved the atrocities of October 7th, and/or and had brought it on themselves.
What else could poor Hamas have done, they intoned.

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Ok noted, but did you answer the OPs question?

Batmanisaplaceinturkey · 11/05/2025 08:48

It's quite a reflection of character isn't it, when people try to defend the indefensible. The killing of aid workers, journalists, paramedics. The bombing of hospitals, universities, camps, civilians.

JandamiHash · 11/05/2025 08:47

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Comparing the two is utterly offensive and antisemitic

Batmanisaplaceinturkey · 11/05/2025 08:45

DARVO

DENY: "oh but we didn't starve or kill that many people, they are lying."

ACCUSE: "They started it with 7.10."
(Yet The Nakba, “catastrophe” in Arabic - the mass displacement and dispossession of Palestinians - occured in 1948.)

REVERSE VICTIM OFFENDER: "BUT WE ARE THE VICTIMS HERE!"
(yeah right, with your huge bombs and Trump and Starmer supporting you, the far right in your government calling the shots, victims don't criminally overreact like this.)

https://prismreports.org/2023/12/11/israel-palestine-domestic-violence-darvo/

'Israel has a right to defend itself' and the language of domestic violence

This language of “Israel has a right to defend itself,” takes a cue from the behaviors and conceits of abusers and enablers

https://prismreports.org/2023/12/11/israel-palestine-domestic-violence-darvo/

malificent7 · 11/05/2025 08:41

Awful...a siege has always been a war tactic. War is dreadful but that is humans for you.

EmeraldShamrock000 · 11/05/2025 08:39

Horrendous.
An eye for an eye has long past.
So many innocent people slaughtered on October 7th and it continued in Palestine daily since, including innocent aid workers, medics, children, elderly, entire families, gone, while the world watched.

hummousnothamas · 11/05/2025 08:39

Shrewsbury247 · 11/05/2025 08:33

It’s beyond belief that this is happening in our time. It was never right (England I’m looking at you) and never will be right, barbarism on a grand scale, pure unadulterated evil.
But I’m sure you’ll have those posters along soon who split hairs and tie themselves in knots to somehow say that poor old Israel have been left with no choice but to starve men, women and children….. it’s really the starving people’s fault don’t you know 🥴utterly revolting behaviour which should be held in the highest contempt.

That’s how I felt about those, the many of those, who said Israeli children, women and men deserved the atrocities of October 7th, and/or and had brought it on themselves.
What else could poor Hamas have done, they intoned.

Comedycook · 11/05/2025 08:38

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Who's "they"?

hummousnothamas · 11/05/2025 08:35

CatRescueNeeded · 11/05/2025 08:18

Of course it’s plain evil, especially when innocent civilians (including children) are caught up in it. There’s just no justification at all. I don’t care what Hamas or anyone else has done

There was outcry when Mariupol was encircled at the beginning of the Ukraine war but I don’t hear similar now

Of course you don’t care what Hamas has done.

If you cared you’d have to question the simplistic good guy/bad narrative you are enjoying.

And maybe you have so dehumanized Israeli children, women and men that you genuinely don’t care. In which case you have become the monster you claim to hate.

miraxxx · 11/05/2025 08:34

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