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To think forced starvation is just plain evil!

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Farticus101 · 11/05/2025 07:42

On the BBC today. The UN has condemned using man made starvation as a war tactic. Surely we can come to a general consensus that whatever you think about the conflict, Israel's actions here are just plain evil?

www.theguardian.com/world/2025/may/11/there-is-suffering-everywhere-you-look-says-mother-of-emaciated-baby-girl-trapped-in-gaza

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JandamiHash · 11/05/2025 09:19

MellowCritic · 11/05/2025 09:17

Maybe not in those exact words but ppl are using other words to justify it!

Who’s doing that?

Gerbilboy · 11/05/2025 09:19

MoiMoiMoiMoi · 11/05/2025 09:06

Hamas was confiscating and selling the aid for high price to fund their war...
Sadly one, who would really want to, could argue that this is not starvation of population but starvation of terrorist organisation funds...
(not agreeing with the blockade, but it's not as simple as baddies vs goodies)

I often see this accusation, please could you provide evidence? Israel has been caught out lying time and time again eg the Red Cross massacre, tunnels under homes and hospitals etc.

JandamiHash · 11/05/2025 09:18

Rosscameasdoody · 11/05/2025 09:17

Most criticism of the Israeli government has been met with cries of anti-semitism. A catch all term which allows them to carry on regardless of international condemnation. The arrogance is breathtaking.

That’s because anti-Israel sentiment is often peppered with antisemitism. The two aren’t mutually exclusive.

JandamiHash · 11/05/2025 09:17

TomeTome · 11/05/2025 09:15

Neither the Palestinian government nor the Israeli government have demonstrated they are fit to rule. The people have shown they are unable to use democracy to secure safety and security for themselves. Time for the world to intervene.

I really don’t think the rest of the world cares, as has been demonstrated for a long time with inaction

MellowCritic · 11/05/2025 09:17

LavenderBlue19 · 11/05/2025 08:14

I don't think anyone is going to say it's a lovely thing to do.

Maybe not in those exact words but ppl are using other words to justify it!

Rosscameasdoody · 11/05/2025 09:17

JandamiHash · 11/05/2025 08:47

Comparing the two is utterly offensive and antisemitic

Most criticism of the Israeli government has been met with cries of anti-semitism. A catch all term which allows them to carry on regardless of international condemnation. The arrogance is breathtaking.

JandamiHash · 11/05/2025 09:15

Shrewsbury247 · 11/05/2025 09:13

you don’t get to police my language, why can’t you answer the OP’s question, is the mass starving of the Palestinian people in Gaza wrong? I’ll wait …..

Actually I do get to police language when you’re using language to make others look unreasonable.

Yes starvation is wrong. Duh. Which is perhaps why Hamas shouldn’t take aid off its citizens to sell or use that aid as tactics to support their terrorism.

Communitywebbing · 11/05/2025 09:15

ThereIsThunderInOurHearts · 11/05/2025 08:15

It is without doubt evil. The Israel government and army have shown the world what horrors they are capable of.

Not only does my heart break for the 2 million innocent civilians being starved to death, but for the Jewish people who are at risk of rising antisemitism because of a rogue government, led by war criminals.

There are no winners here. This genocide must end by all governments refusing to arm and fund Israel.

Thanks, you’ve said it.

TomeTome · 11/05/2025 09:15

Neither the Palestinian government nor the Israeli government have demonstrated they are fit to rule. The people have shown they are unable to use democracy to secure safety and security for themselves. Time for the world to intervene.

Shrewsbury247 · 11/05/2025 09:13

JandamiHash · 11/05/2025 09:03

Using language like that is entirely a tool to make people look hysterical.

you don’t get to police my language, why can’t you answer the OP’s question, is the mass starving of the Palestinian people in Gaza wrong? I’ll wait …..

JandamiHash · 11/05/2025 09:12

Comedycook · 11/05/2025 09:08

Didn't remind of you of the Ethiopian famine, the starving children in Yemen, the starving children in Sudan, the Irish famine, the north Korean famine, the starving children in south Sudan then...?

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Yes it’s interesting how there are many people saying in the world but only Palestinians are being compared to the Holocaust

MaloryJones · 11/05/2025 09:11

Comedycook · 11/05/2025 09:08

Didn't remind of you of the Ethiopian famine, the starving children in Yemen, the starving children in Sudan, the Irish famine, the north Korean famine, the starving children in south Sudan then...?

Edited

No, actually.
I remembered the photo from the book. It had an impact on me and I remember it well.
Stick your whataboutary

JandamiHash · 11/05/2025 09:10

MoiMoiMoiMoi · 11/05/2025 09:06

Hamas was confiscating and selling the aid for high price to fund their war...
Sadly one, who would really want to, could argue that this is not starvation of population but starvation of terrorist organisation funds...
(not agreeing with the blockade, but it's not as simple as baddies vs goodies)

Which shows exactly why the situation is very nuanced and unless you’re a rather dim child, believing this is a case of evil people vs an entirely innocent population, is rather ignorant.

Hamas could change things for their citizens today but they don’t care enough. They give no fucks and using their citizens as human shields shows this.

At the risk of stating the obvious a two state solution would be the dream. But neither side who can actually make this happen seems to want this.

Comedycook · 11/05/2025 09:08

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Didn't remind of you of the Ethiopian famine, the starving children in Yemen, the starving children in Sudan, the Irish famine, the north Korean famine, the starving children in south Sudan then...?

MoiMoiMoiMoi · 11/05/2025 09:06

Hamas was confiscating and selling the aid for high price to fund their war...
Sadly one, who would really want to, could argue that this is not starvation of population but starvation of terrorist organisation funds...
(not agreeing with the blockade, but it's not as simple as baddies vs goodies)

MaloryJones · 11/05/2025 09:06

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Langdale3 · 11/05/2025 09:05

As a war tactic, it’s utterly wrong and the UN is right to condemn it, wherever it is deployed. Feel sick to my stomach about it.

Doing something constructive with people who feel the same is a good antidote to feeling angry and helpless. I support Mothers Manifesto a group of mums who are campaigning for sanctions to be applied to any governments breaking international law by restricting access to food and imposing starvation on civilian populations.

MOTHERS MANIFESTO - Manifesto

MOTHER’S MANIFESTO FOR CHANGE A CALL TO ACTION ON FOOD INSECURITY

https://www.mothermanifesto.com/manifesto

Comedycook · 11/05/2025 09:04

Chicaontour · 11/05/2025 09:03

How are we even debating this? Israel is ( and has) committing war crimes. Its genocide and ethnic cleansing. Collect8ve punishment was used as a tool against Jewish people in the holocaust and the Israelis are using it now. . There is no excuses for our inaction. We cant pretend that we dont know. We are seeing the decimation of the Palestinian people. Israel should be treated as a pariah state.

What were the Jews being punished for in ww2?

Chicaontour · 11/05/2025 09:03

How are we even debating this? Israel is ( and has) committing war crimes. Its genocide and ethnic cleansing. Collect8ve punishment was used as a tool against Jewish people in the holocaust and the Israelis are using it now. . There is no excuses for our inaction. We cant pretend that we dont know. We are seeing the decimation of the Palestinian people. Israel should be treated as a pariah state.

JandamiHash · 11/05/2025 09:03

Comedycook · 11/05/2025 09:01

Why use the word "wailing"? Is it an attempt to make us look hysterical? This is a forum where we are writing....what makes you think we're wailing it?

Using language like that is entirely a tool to make people look hysterical.

BlondiePortz · 11/05/2025 09:02

But everything else in war is just fine?

JandamiHash · 11/05/2025 09:02

Nominative · 11/05/2025 09:01

How is starving civilians a defence tactic?

I didn’t say it was. I was challenging the notion that disarming Israel is a peaceful solution.

Comedycook · 11/05/2025 09:01

Shrewsbury247 · 11/05/2025 09:00

Wailing ‘antisemitism’ no longer shuts down debate or discussion of this issue, the world is past that, it doesn’t work anymore.
I note you can’t answer the OP’s question, says everything really.

Why use the word "wailing"? Is it an attempt to make us look hysterical? This is a forum where we are writing....what makes you think we're wailing it?

JandamiHash · 11/05/2025 09:01

Shrewsbury247 · 11/05/2025 09:00

Wailing ‘antisemitism’ no longer shuts down debate or discussion of this issue, the world is past that, it doesn’t work anymore.
I note you can’t answer the OP’s question, says everything really.

No one is trying to shut down discussion, but antisemitism should always be called out, even when you want people to STFU and agree with you.

Nominative · 11/05/2025 09:01

JandamiHash · 11/05/2025 08:27

Can I ask what you think would happen is Israel was no longer able to defend itself?

How is starving civilians a defence tactic?