To think forced starvation is just plain evil!

I’m on a thread about the evils of starving civilians

And yet people have voted to a very direct question.

No one is forced to vote. If they vote they believe one way or the other.
21% believe the starvation of civilians is not evil.
Thankfully 79% believe it is evil

If some are unsure, as the question may be more far reaching, then they can decide not to vote and discuss instead.
If mumsnetters are voting they have made their decision.

This thread would have been interesting had it not been about Israel and Gaza.
I wonder then what the %s would be ?

Israel has already won decisively. They just want to make Gaza completely uninhabitable for the Palestinians. What does a post-surrender Gaza look like for the Palestinians under an ultra right-wing Messianic government?

No she didn’t.

Ill ask you, seeing as only one person had answered so far - what do you think will happen if Israel is disarmed?

Is the destruction of homes and theft of land “defence” in your view? Genuine question

I think some people are using their brains to look at how the question is phrased and the nuances around the war and not just answering the question on a literal basis.

I feel sorry for anyone with such a negative opinion of human nature that they would seriously think 21% of Mumsnet users seeing this thread think starving babies & children is ok.

It seems obvious to me people are saying the title of the thread isn’t reasonable.

You asked a direct question and by your own standards @Elizacat answered it

That wasn’t what I asked but it’s interesting that you dodged the questions.

War crimes are always been committed in conflict and always will be - and have been on both sides in the Israel Gaza conflict. Our own military certainly committed horrific crimes in living memory. Why people expect only the IDF to behave perfectly is beyond me and little to do with the fact Israel still needs to defend itself.

‘Blowing people up’ is not deliberate and stated genocide.

A war in which both sides have armies is not the same as an unrecognised state without an army being pulverised by weapons sourced from all over the world including illegal weapons such as white phosphorus.

This is a very difficult situation because in the one hand nobody wants to see innocent children suffering. But on the other hand, simply prolonging the fight by being soft, having ceasefires etc, is much worse in the long run.

It's what Israel has been doing ever since its inception, and it's what has caused thousands of deaths on both sides. Thousands of innocent deaths.

It sounds terrible to say, but at this point I think the only way forward is for Israel to win decisively. Historically this was always how peace and new hope blossomed. When one side lost and acknowledged its defeat. Germany and Japan are prime examples.

After WWI there was only an armistice, ie ceasefire. That paved the way for WWII and the many millions who died in those terrible years. After WWII, when Germany was routed, they looked to the future. Nazism was by and large eradicated, and Germany was rebuilt as a tolerant, peaceful and prosperous nation. Ditto for Japan.

When the people of Gaza realise this is a defeat and surrender (and hand back the hostages), that will be the moment they can start healing and rebuilding. It's just sad that their own government - Hamas - cares so little about them and are willing to fight to the last man.

The threads question is
whether forced starvation is evil.

There may be other issues to consider but 21% voted that they believe it is not evil
because…….blah blah
It either is or isn’t.
No one is stopping people voting and thinking it is evil and then explaining why it’s happening

This is a very difficult situation because in the one hand nobody wants to see innocent children suffering. But on the other hand, simply prolonging the fight by being soft, having ceasefires etc, is much worse in the long run.

It's what Israel has been doing ever since its inception, and it's what has caused thousands of deaths on both sides. Thousands of innocent deaths.

It sounds terrible to say, but at this point I think the only way forward is for Israel to win decisively. Historically this was always how peace and new hope blossomed. When one side lost and acknowledged its defeat. Germany and Japan are prime examples.

After WWI there was only an armistice, ie ceasefire. That paved the way for WWII and the many millions who died in those terrible years. After WWII, when Germany was routed, they looked to the future. Nazism was by and large eradicated, and Germany was rebuilt as a tolerant, peaceful and prosperous nation. Ditto for Japan.

When the people of Gaza realise this is a defeat and surrender (and hand back the hostages), that will be the moment they can start healing and rebuilding. It's just sad that their own government - Hamas - cares so little about them and are willing to fight to the last man.

“Horrifying” because someone’s not subscribing to a simplistic “goodies vs baddies” narrative?

The aim of the Eurovision Song Contest is not to be political
Every country must adhere to this
Israel like every country ( because they are no more special ) has to abide by the rules.
Not referencing October 7th had nothing to do with its justification

Oh please, Arabs have hated Jews for millennia, loooong before 1948 and they invaded Israel on day 1 of Israel being (fairly and legally) created. They were always going to hate any Jewish state. It’s not about geography it’s about religion and the Jews are fed up of being exiled, and if they didn’t defend themselves they’d be obligated from existence.

I’d rather see this from a non Israel news source. I can only see Israeli news sites reporting on it, surely, if true it would have been reported by western media too?

but, taking the translation at face value - is it not that they are building tunnels to defend themselves. Similar to what any “army” would do in a “war”? And is it not factual that the occupation has a responsibility to Gazan people and that they are breaking international law by not fulfilling that?

im just unsure we can say that Israel are justified in their actions because they think that Hamas are terrorists. Innocent people in Palestine are not Hamas, no matter what Netanyahu might say.

Children would be able to live?

It is without doubt evil. The Israel government and army have shown the world what horrors they are capable of.

Not only does my heart break for the 2 million innocent civilians being starved to death, but for the Jewish people who are at risk of rising antisemitism because of a rogue government, led by war criminals.

There are no winners here. This genocide must end by all governments refusing to arm and fund Israel.

That wasn’t what I asked but it’s interesting that you dodged the questions.

War crimes are always been committed in conflict and always will be - and have been on both sides in the Israel Gaza conflict. Our own military certainly committed horrific crimes in living memory. Why people expect only the IDF to behave perfectly is beyond me and little to do with the fact Israel still needs to defend itself.