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To think forced starvation is just plain evil!

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Farticus101 · 11/05/2025 07:42

On the BBC today. The UN has condemned using man made starvation as a war tactic. Surely we can come to a general consensus that whatever you think about the conflict, Israel's actions here are just plain evil?

www.theguardian.com/world/2025/may/11/there-is-suffering-everywhere-you-look-says-mother-of-emaciated-baby-girl-trapped-in-gaza

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DrPrunesqualer · 11/05/2025 12:44

Shrewsbury247 · 11/05/2025 12:36

Look how far a few posters have derailed the thread from the initial AIBU … sickening isn’t it.
Forced starvation of any human being regardless of colour or creed is evil…. There can never, under any circumstance, be justification for it. That’s it, no more words needed.

I agree.
The question is simple
This thread is full of whatabouts and excuses for what is basically a War Crime

DrPrunesqualer · 11/05/2025 12:42

Thegreyhound · 11/05/2025 12:22

It’s a terrorist organisation as you know full well. That is not an army. Armies are MEANT to abide by the rules of war and within international law.

Starving civilians does not come within the bounds of ‘The rules of War’

So What then are the IDF……and the Israeli Govn……not an army by your very own definition

JandamiHash · 11/05/2025 12:41

Shrewsbury247 · 11/05/2025 12:36

Look how far a few posters have derailed the thread from the initial AIBU … sickening isn’t it.
Forced starvation of any human being regardless of colour or creed is evil…. There can never, under any circumstance, be justification for it. That’s it, no more words needed.

Threads evolve - otherwise it’s just hundreds of responses of “Yea that’s terrible”

In my view what’s more shocking is that people who point out there’s more nuances than “Good vs Evil” are met with outrage and accusations

JandamiHash · 11/05/2025 12:36

DrPrunesqualer · 11/05/2025 12:35

I think in itself it’s Evil

But what you need to understand is that you’ve answered in direct response to that exact question, but other people haven’t.

Shrewsbury247 · 11/05/2025 12:36

Look how far a few posters have derailed the thread from the initial AIBU … sickening isn’t it.
Forced starvation of any human being regardless of colour or creed is evil…. There can never, under any circumstance, be justification for it. That’s it, no more words needed.

JandamiHash · 11/05/2025 12:35

Elizacat · 11/05/2025 12:32

@JandamiHash Who is asking for Israel to be disarmed? They’re just asking that they stop committing war crimes.

You keep repeating nonsensical stuff that is not part of any debate and never has been - no one is saying Israel can’t defend itself and no one is saying they should be disarmed.

Edited

It was mentioned earlier on in the thread.

What nonsense am I posting?

DrPrunesqualer · 11/05/2025 12:35

JandamiHash · 11/05/2025 12:08

Then the responses would be “We need more than that OP”.

The assumption that everyone who’ve voted YABU must love starving children is very odd and obtuse indeed

I think in itself it’s Evil

Elizacat · 11/05/2025 12:32

@JandamiHash Who is asking for Israel to be disarmed? They’re just asking that they stop committing war crimes.

You keep repeating nonsensical stuff that is not part of any debate and never has been - no one is saying Israel can’t defend itself and no one is saying they should be disarmed.

Throwawayyyy · 11/05/2025 12:30

JandamiHash · 11/05/2025 08:28

I don’t care what Hamas or anyone else has done

You don’t care about whatthe violent raping terrorists have done? You don’t think it’s at all relevant to the situation?

There is footage online of Israeli soldiers violently anally raping prisoners. The prisoner has blood all over their trousers afterwards.

It’s all abhorrent. Each side has committed horrific crimes. Both have raped, bother have murdered, both have killed children.

JandamiHash · 11/05/2025 12:29

inamarina · 11/05/2025 12:26

Agree, especially when people come out with historically inaccurate claims like “Israel is a white/ European colonialist project” or deny what happened on October 7th (seen on other threads).

The denial of October 7th is so intrinsically linked to deep and ancient antisemitic tropes that Jews lie and exaggerate about the hate aimed at them. If people are going to be Pro Palestine then fine but they should do a civic duty of researching the very specific and unique ways which antisemitism is played out, why it is SO dangerous to uphold this and how this applies to the conflict.

inamarina · 11/05/2025 12:26

JandamiHash · 11/05/2025 11:31

This is what makes it such a difficult subject to engage in. People making shocking little sound bites in place of actual debate

Agree, especially when people come out with historically inaccurate claims like “Israel is a white/ European colonialist project” or deny what happened on October 7th (seen on other threads).

JandamiHash · 11/05/2025 12:25

Joyunlimited · 11/05/2025 12:24

I can’t see any good reason why.

Because they want us to STFU and agree with them as they justify terrorism

Joyunlimited · 11/05/2025 12:24

Thegreyhound · 11/05/2025 12:20

Are you implying in this post that I am blaming ‘Jews’ for October 7th and therefore that I am an antisemite? Because that’s what it looks like and that is libel. You’d better ask to get it taken down.

I can’t see any good reason why.

JandamiHash · 11/05/2025 12:23

Thegreyhound · 11/05/2025 12:22

It’s a terrorist organisation as you know full well. That is not an army. Armies are MEANT to abide by the rules of war and within international law.

We are getting somewhere - so it’s ok for Hamas to commit war crimes because they’re not a recognised Army? Is that what you’re saying by your self confessed higher expectations of the IDF?

Thegreyhound · 11/05/2025 12:23

JandamiHash · 11/05/2025 12:22

I won’t ask it to get taken down. Maybe you should ask to get your disgusting justification down if the murder and rape of women and murder of babies and toddlers?

You’re blaming someone for October 7th though - who?
Whose fault is it?

Try answering without making a melodramatic punchy statement

So you are standing by the fact that you have accused me of blaming Jews for October 7th? think carefully about that.

inamarina · 11/05/2025 12:22

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What exactly is your point? Do you think Hamas are defending their children?
Why did they launch the October 7th attack then, didn’t they think there might be consequences? Did October 7th make their and their children’s lives safer?

Thegreyhound · 11/05/2025 12:22

JandamiHash · 11/05/2025 12:17

What are they then? A social club?

It’s a terrorist organisation as you know full well. That is not an army. Armies are MEANT to abide by the rules of war and within international law.

JandamiHash · 11/05/2025 12:22

Thegreyhound · 11/05/2025 12:20

Are you implying in this post that I am blaming ‘Jews’ for October 7th and therefore that I am an antisemite? Because that’s what it looks like and that is libel. You’d better ask to get it taken down.

I won’t ask it to get taken down. Maybe you should ask to get your disgusting justification down if the murder and rape of women and murder of babies and toddlers?

You’re blaming someone for October 7th though - who?
Whose fault is it?

Try answering without making a melodramatic punchy statement

Joyunlimited · 11/05/2025 12:21

Thegreyhound · 11/05/2025 12:17

Jews and Israel are not the same thing, why are you conflating them?

Probably because the stated aim of Hamas, in their founding charter and never repudiated, is to kill all Jews. Not Israelis - Jews.

Thegreyhound · 11/05/2025 12:20

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Are you implying in this post that I am blaming ‘Jews’ for October 7th and therefore that I am an antisemite? Because that’s what it looks like and that is libel. You’d better ask to get it taken down.

JandamiHash · 11/05/2025 12:20

Thegreyhound · 11/05/2025 12:17

Jews and Israel are not the same thing, why are you conflating them?

If the only Jewish state (the very existence of which really seems to upset people despite the fact other religions have dozens of their own states) is obliterated, it’s only a matter of time before Jews elsewhere were also taken out - and u like now they’d have nowhere to go, no haven if Holocaust 2.0 reared its ugly head - and don’t say it wouldn’t happen. Antisemtism is rising rapidly the world over. People are simply teeming for an excuse to murder Jews.

Joyunlimited · 11/05/2025 12:19

DrPrunesqualer · 11/05/2025 11:45

Or perhaps a direct question such as OPs is too hard to face up to and admit

Or perhaps it was a childish, loaded question.

JandamiHash · 11/05/2025 12:17

Thegreyhound · 11/05/2025 12:16

I know Hamas are not an army. It’s not a question of think.

What are they then? A social club?

Thegreyhound · 11/05/2025 12:17

JandamiHash · 11/05/2025 12:10

What a shock, people don’t want to be honest about what would happen to Israel if it stopped defending itself.

Youd be on a thread about “Remember when there were Jews in the world” if that happened FWIW.

Jews and Israel are not the same thing, why are you conflating them?

Thegreyhound · 11/05/2025 12:16

JandamiHash · 11/05/2025 11:56

You think Hamas aren’t an Army?

I know Hamas are not an army. It’s not a question of think.

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