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To think forced starvation is just plain evil!

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Farticus101 · 11/05/2025 07:42

On the BBC today. The UN has condemned using man made starvation as a war tactic. Surely we can come to a general consensus that whatever you think about the conflict, Israel's actions here are just plain evil?

www.theguardian.com/world/2025/may/11/there-is-suffering-everywhere-you-look-says-mother-of-emaciated-baby-girl-trapped-in-gaza

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Comedycook · 11/05/2025 15:49

I'm sure I will get slated for this, but isn't deliberately letting people starve to death on par with using gas chambers to kill innocent people during the Holocaust?

Fucking shameless comment

SpaceOfAides · 11/05/2025 15:38

Thegreyhound · 11/05/2025 15:35

Clearly neither! One is a terrorist group and the other is a fanatical right wing government practising apartheid and genocide

The best place for Arabs to live in the Middle East, in terms of living standards, education, democracy, freedom etc, is actually in Israel. Ordinary Israeli Arabs (ie not oligarchs and rich elite) have it better than Arabs anywhere else in the Middle East.

SpaceOfAides · 11/05/2025 15:36

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I doubt your question was posed in good faith, but I'll answer it anyway. The key difference is that if the adults of Gaza return the hostages and surrender unconditionally the war stops immediately. That wasn't an option for the Jews under Nazi Germany.

As I wrote before, the only way to stop the bloodshed in the long term is for one side to have a clear victory and the other side to acknowledge defeat. When the price of continued 'resistance', aka terrorism, becomes too high for the adults in Gaza and they will hopefully surrender, and from there in the rebuilding and healing can start.

We can only hope it happens sooner rather than later, but hey, they should be the ones to care the most about their own children.

Thegreyhound · 11/05/2025 15:36

Joyunlimited · 11/05/2025 15:27

All Jews, actually (in their founding charter, which has been replaced but never repudiated).

Replaced implies repudiated usually- as in, you get rid of something and then replace it with something else

Thegreyhound · 11/05/2025 15:35

Tryonemoretime · 11/05/2025 15:09

Just one question....Would you prefer your daughter to live under the rule of Hamas or the rule of Israel?

Clearly neither! One is a terrorist group and the other is a fanatical right wing government practising apartheid and genocide

Thegreyhound · 11/05/2025 15:31

Tryonemoretime · 11/05/2025 14:57

Isn't all information coming out of Gaza solely from Hamas?

Mainly because all the journalists have been murdered and no more are allowed in

SpaceOfAides · 11/05/2025 15:29

DrPrunesqualer · 11/05/2025 14:11

Hamas has offered the hostages.
Israel doesn’t want them, Israel broke the ceasefire

Keep up

What do you mean they've offered the hostages, as in put them in a car and driven them to the border? I didn't think so.

Joyunlimited · 11/05/2025 15:27

Tryonemoretime · 11/05/2025 15:07

And the stated aim of Hamas is to obliterate all Israelis....

All Jews, actually (in their founding charter, which has been replaced but never repudiated).

Joyunlimited · 11/05/2025 15:25

Elizacat · 11/05/2025 14:50

Ah yes in Gaza the adults are all sat feasting whilst watching their children starve. Because of course they don’t care about their children like people in the West (white people?) do. I mean are they even human?!

Absolutely despicable post.

But are you disputing the truth of it?

Tryonemoretime · 11/05/2025 15:09

Just one question....Would you prefer your daughter to live under the rule of Hamas or the rule of Israel?

Elizacat · 11/05/2025 15:08

Jujujudo · 11/05/2025 14:59

Nobody cares. It’s pointless trying to argue with anyone. The lies and propaganda is so easily sucked up because people are so desperate to demonise this tiny country (and the Jews). I mean if any of the things written are true, do people really think the UK and US would be allies? I’m not going to reply to anyone responding to me either. I’m not going to give my time to people who ignore other conflicts and question the media, while singling out Israel and believing every vile word published. Remember how Hitler gained power? He controlled the propaganda against a group of people that society were desperate to hate.

Glad you won’t respond with more drivel but I’ll believe my own eyes thanks and the hundreds of videos I’ve seen of kids with their brains splattered all over the ground and limbs blown off. Some of them still alive, screaming in agony. What a way to leave this world and the indifference (at best) to their suffering is disturbing.

And why would Western governments support them? The West is behind most of the atrocities that have ever been committed. What a silly thing to say.

Tryonemoretime · 11/05/2025 15:07

Thegreyhound · 11/05/2025 14:28

also returning the hostages would not end this- the stated aim is to remove Palestinians from the Gaza Strip

And the stated aim of Hamas is to obliterate all Israelis....

Martymcfly24 · 11/05/2025 15:06

Elizacat · 11/05/2025 15:02

Mind blowing. That consumed by hatred that they’ve lost the ability to even pretend they’re not monsters.

They don't need to . You can see on this thread they don't have to even pretend.

Throwawayyyy · 11/05/2025 15:05

Jujujudo · 11/05/2025 14:59

Nobody cares. It’s pointless trying to argue with anyone. The lies and propaganda is so easily sucked up because people are so desperate to demonise this tiny country (and the Jews). I mean if any of the things written are true, do people really think the UK and US would be allies? I’m not going to reply to anyone responding to me either. I’m not going to give my time to people who ignore other conflicts and question the media, while singling out Israel and believing every vile word published. Remember how Hitler gained power? He controlled the propaganda against a group of people that society were desperate to hate.

I know you said you won’t respond but I’m going to ask a question anyway (I have condemned both sides for the crimes they’ve committed, I am not coming at you from a place of anti-Isreal) but what do you think is really going on?

Martymcfly24 · 11/05/2025 15:05

Jujujudo · 11/05/2025 14:59

Nobody cares. It’s pointless trying to argue with anyone. The lies and propaganda is so easily sucked up because people are so desperate to demonise this tiny country (and the Jews). I mean if any of the things written are true, do people really think the UK and US would be allies? I’m not going to reply to anyone responding to me either. I’m not going to give my time to people who ignore other conflicts and question the media, while singling out Israel and believing every vile word published. Remember how Hitler gained power? He controlled the propaganda against a group of people that society were desperate to hate.

Israel has a propaganda department .

They increased the budget by 150 million this year.(Need to spend more the more crap you are doing)

So it is slightly disingenuous to use Hitler here as an example.

Elizacat · 11/05/2025 15:02

Gerbilboy · 11/05/2025 15:01

Mind blowing. That consumed by hatred that they’ve lost the ability to even pretend they’re not monsters.

Gerbilboy · 11/05/2025 15:01

Elizacat · 11/05/2025 14:50

Ah yes in Gaza the adults are all sat feasting whilst watching their children starve. Because of course they don’t care about their children like people in the West (white people?) do. I mean are they even human?!

Absolutely despicable post.

It reminds me of this obscene statement by UK lawyers for Israel

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/may/10/uk-lawyers-for-israel-condemned-over-claim-war-may-reduce-obesity-in-gaza

UK Lawyers for Israel condemned over claim war may reduce obesity in Gaza

Palestinian rights group says remarks criticising a Lancet analysis on impact of the conflict are ‘sickening’

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/may/10/uk-lawyers-for-israel-condemned-over-claim-war-may-reduce-obesity-in-gaza

Jujujudo · 11/05/2025 14:59

JandamiHash · 11/05/2025 08:27

Can I ask what you think would happen is Israel was no longer able to defend itself?

Nobody cares. It’s pointless trying to argue with anyone. The lies and propaganda is so easily sucked up because people are so desperate to demonise this tiny country (and the Jews). I mean if any of the things written are true, do people really think the UK and US would be allies? I’m not going to reply to anyone responding to me either. I’m not going to give my time to people who ignore other conflicts and question the media, while singling out Israel and believing every vile word published. Remember how Hitler gained power? He controlled the propaganda against a group of people that society were desperate to hate.

Tryonemoretime · 11/05/2025 14:57

Isn't all information coming out of Gaza solely from Hamas?

inamarina · 11/05/2025 14:54

OhCalmTheFuckDownMargaret · 11/05/2025 14:12

Well we know the beheading of babies and putting them in ovens claim by Israel was a blatant lie.

So no atrocities happened on October 7th, or what exactly is your point?
I wasn’t talking about any specific claims.
What do you think Hamas and their supporters did on October 7th?

Elizacat · 11/05/2025 14:50

Comedycook · 11/05/2025 14:05

I've seen images of emaciated children....none of adults.... except the hostages

If you look up famine in Gaza, you'll find articles and articles virtually every month since this conflict started saying that they're on the brink of famine, on the brink of no water, on the brink of no power....

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Ah yes in Gaza the adults are all sat feasting whilst watching their children starve. Because of course they don’t care about their children like people in the West (white people?) do. I mean are they even human?!

Absolutely despicable post.

Farticus101 · 11/05/2025 14:45

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TomeTome · 11/05/2025 14:44

I do think there comes a point where governments and people have demonstrated again and again that they cannot and will not behave in a humane way that we have to step in. I think that time has come. I don’t think Israel or Palestine can exist in this form going forward. It’s been a horrifying and disgusting thing to witness.

CallMeMabel · 11/05/2025 14:42

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Martymcfly24 · 11/05/2025 14:36

In 1847 the British government exported food from Ireland while the people starved and called it a famine

In 2025 there are 3000 trucks lined up at a border and prevented from entering by Israel while starving people are metres away., calling it a famine now as well.

Seems humanity has not evolved at all in nearly 200 years.

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