To think forced starvation is just plain evil!

And why do you think aid isn’t allowed in?
Nobody seems to be answering this question

HonI stay I don’t know whether to pity or feel embarrassed for the people who swallow the blatant lies from terrorists. Like how thick can you be? Hamas given the chance would shit MN down in a minute and have gay people killed and women oppressed. They aren’t people’s friends and they aren’t the innocent hapless victims by nasty old Israel.

Embarrassed, actually. I feel embarrassed and almost quite alarmed at the general stupidity

I have repeatedly condemned both sides behaviour. Hamas’ acts have been horrific, as have Israel’s. Rape, torture and murder on both sides.

You can support a cause whilst also condemning their crimes.

I hope karma hits them big time.

What kind of karma do you hope for exactly?

Your post has nothing to do with mine.

Hamas agreed to swap hostages for Palestinian detainees

The Israeli Government broke that agreement.

They aren’t interested in their own people held by Hamas, they never have been. We all saw that with Netanyahus plans for Gaza at the UN general council in September 2023

Aid workers have seen the thefts happen.

So you think a Jew hating terrorist group is to be trusted?

Do you support Hamas?

🥱 What do you think will happen to Jewish people if Palestine and Hamas is allowed to take the land “From the river to the sea”? Ethnic cleansing is fine if it’s Israelis right?

Unless it’s Jews apparently, then they brought it on themselves and it “didn’t erupt from nowhere”

You really need to have a think about where you get information.

Those poor kind Hamas terrorists just want to help the Jews they’ve kidnapped and tortured right

One example of so many
including starving civilians in this case ie the thread subject.

Yes we do. Antisemitism being one

You should always report hateful posts.
But don’t be surprised if MN’s definition of hate differs to yours.

Would you feel the same if a right-wing group had a founding charter that called for the murder of all black people, but then replaced it with a new charter that didn’t say that - but never apologised for, or actively repudiated, the old one?

The way I see it there are 3 ways of looking at the killing of civilians in retaliation, where those civilians are connected by race, blood, ethnicity, territory etc to the perpetrators of an atrocity.

1. those who believe it is always wrong to kill someone in retaliation for anothers wrong doing, whether that's a terrorist group, national army or whatever. An innocent life is an innocent life regardless.

2. Those who believe it is OK to kill innocent people in specific circumstances as retaliation fall into 2 categories

A) those who believe in eye for eye, or to avenge their own type. They believe anyone of the race/ethnicity is fair game and believe in revenge as a concept. This means they will also condone mass killings in the future against those that are doing it now and so on.

B) people who don't believe in this as a concept but believe it's ok in this specific circumstance because they believe one race to be of more value and superior than the another.

Ceasefire is suicide for Israel, and in the long run tragic for the Palestinians too. The government is quite right not to agree to one.

Two state solution? Is there even anyone in Gaza who wants that? In any polls done to date, formal and informal, there has been extremely low support for a two state solution amongst the Palestinians. The vast majority want a 'free Palestine' from the river to the sea.

Surrender would mean accepting and acknowledging defeat. It would mean realising their stated aims are not going to happen, and relinquishing them. I think with time and good faith shown on their side, they could probably have some kind of semi-autonomy, perhaps similar to devolvement in the UK.

But what is certain is that the actual war stops as soon as they surrender fully and unconditionally. I don't think any sane person could deny that.

Interesting how nobody can answer (except one person who said it would be a blood bath) what would happen if Israel couldn’t defend itself (and yes people have suggested that).

I think the bars of thinking on this thread believe because I haven’t rushed on with dramatic statements that I am justifying starvation. I’m not. But the blame cannot be on Israel for reasons already stated.

Meanwhile we have several posters justifying or downplaying October 7th, an attack where babies and toddlers were murdered and women were raped. What is your justification? Please tell us.

As for people saying those with opinions different to them should be deleted - go find an echo chamber elsewhere then. This is MN and a variety of opinions are allowed. Imagine being so arrogant you think you the The Only Right Opinion and everyone else should fall in line or STFU

Deflect deflect….any excuse!

This thread is about Gaza

Israel doesn’t see them as important enough to take back.

Israel broke the ceasefire…..nothing new then.

Agree.
This post is one of the many low points of this thread

Agree
even if that means starving them out Netanyahu and his evil war mongerers will carry on regardless.

Do you really believe that? That if the hostages are returned and Hamas surrender, all conflict and persecution stops and Isreal will work peacefully towards a two state solution with equal rights for all?
I think most people believe that Israel’s most recent stated aim of eradicating Gaza of Palestinians, was always the aim.

The only thing forcing the Palestinian people into starvation is the Israeli Government.
You block aid and bomb humanitarian ships you commit a war crime. You starve innocents. You are the lowest of the low.

Apartheid....?! Tell me all about freedom of religion in other middle eastern countries...