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Expectations for driving to meet ex for child handover

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Nolongersureofmyself · 10/05/2025 21:04

Hi all,

Please may I ask for some external perspective...

My ex and I have a child. My ex moved abroad a few years ago. We have a child arrangements order in place. One element of which is that, if we can’t agree on a handover location, then it is five mins from my home.

My ex stays in some random places when he visits, sometimes a couple of hours away. This next visit is up north with his parents. On other occasions, I’ve done my best to meet him halfway and I went over and above last time as he had an issue.

This time, he has said he considers halfway to be Heathrow airport, which is clearly convenient for him as he flies in there.

Surely I can’t be expected to drive all the way to Heathrow. I’ve offered a journey which is an hour and a half from me, so a three hour round trip. He would have 45 minute drive from Heathrow to meet me and then his onward journey to his parents. In terms of travel time in total, for both legs...mine is 6 hours and his would be 7

I drive 1.5 hours out and back on trip 1 = 3 hours x 2 (collection)
He drives 45 mins to meet and then 2.5 hours to his parents = 3.5 hours x 2

The additional leg to Heathrow for me would be a further 45 mins each way.

He is basically saying that I should drive halfway no matter where he chooses to stay. He could stay literally anywhere in the country and still expect this.

Am I unreasonable. I’m trying to be decent and did way more than was required last time. That doesn’t seem to count for anything this time round and last time it just ended up with him shouting at me the day after and then telling our child how useless I am.

Please be honest, in a kindly way. Thanks

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Mumofoneandone · 11/05/2025 12:43

Heathrow airport is a totally unsuitable place for a handover anyway. And it is going to take much longer than the time you have considered because it will be so busy.
Your ex isn't prioritising seeing your child because they are not staying locally/organising suitable accommodation.
Follow the court's ruling and let him protest all he wants - his emails etc are going to show his behaviour up. You've tried to be reasonable and he's trying to bully you into doing what he wants.....

Genevieva · 11/05/2025 12:29

If he gets a plane to Exeter or Bristol I’d feel far more inclined to be accommodating. As it is, you are being generous enough.

BlackeyedSusan · 11/05/2025 12:23

Nolongersureofmyself · 10/05/2025 22:13

Do you think so. In my head it feels like I’ve got to try to agree something first and it’s so much pressure and conflict. I guess I just need to find some balls and say no to anything but either my suggestion or the 5 mins.

You tried
He abusive
Return to five minutes until he can learn to behave.
He wants cooperation he has to be reasonable.

You parented a toddler...use those skills. Remember when you went selectively deaf until they said please...

Stop agreeing to this three hour round trip. You do everything else.

Maybe choose somewhere to hand over you'd like to go. (Eg shopping in a big city, visiting an attraction) But don't pander to his lack of organisation/abuse/coercive control.

The judge gave you a clause for a reason. Use it.

drspouse · 11/05/2025 08:38

"If you agree" means that one of you can disagree i.e. you or him. You've both presented alternatives and both have disagreed so five minutes away it is.

BoxOfCats · 11/05/2025 04:58

This is actually nothing to do with travel plans really, for him it's all about feeling like he can control you and make you dance to his tune. He just append to be doing that through the travel, but I'd be willing to bet he's made other things an issue as well.

You seem worried about not trying to agree with him as the court order implies you should try to, but you're forgetting that he is under just as much obligation to try to agree as you are. Since he appears to be making zero effort in this regard, you're well within your rights to tell him to do one and collect from 5 mins away.

You can't reason with someone who is unreasonable. He has no interest in trying to co parent with you, he just wants to wind you up so he can get a reaction. Don't let him.

RawBloomers · 11/05/2025 04:45

OP, the judge made it "5 mins if you can't agree" to set the tone for what is reasonable to agree to. It is not reasonable for your Ex to have you jump through hoops for his convenience. You are doing all the heavy lifting day-in-day-out, you don't have to take half the driving on the few occasions he comes back to this country. Have a look at what the journey will be like for your children decide and what you think is most reasonable for them (i.e. minimize their sitting in a car time) and you, not for your ex.

Fruitbat99 · 11/05/2025 02:47

Erm no. You do all the parenting when he's living abroad, and its not down to you to facilitate his contact. Tell him to get fucked.

Silvercoconut · 10/05/2025 23:06

LimitedBrightSpots · 10/05/2025 22:19

I'd tell him you're planning to be in Land's End that week, so halfway for you is actually 5 minutes from your house.

Fantastic 😅

JohnofWessex · 10/05/2025 22:43

Shall we fix him a date with my ex?

JohnofWessex · 10/05/2025 22:42

Nolongersureofmyself · 10/05/2025 22:32

funnily enough I did suggest a location which he could make a route out of. It’s still not good enough though! He just wants to drive straight up without diversion.

Then its 5 mins from yours or nothing

BakelikeBertha · 10/05/2025 22:41

Do you actually speak to him OP, or are things organised via text, email, or some other method? As long as it's anything but actually speaking to him, surely it's not hard to say 'No, I've made an offer to drive a distance which I feel comfortable with, if you don't accept that, then you can pick up our DC as per the Court Order, 5 minutes from my house. Let me know what you want to do.' If he argues back, just send another message saying 'Right, 5 minutes from my house it is then. DC will be at such and such place, at such and such time. If you're not there and don't let me know of any delay, we will wait 10 minutes, and then I will take DC home. If he tries to vary that, just say 'Sorry, not going to happen'.

On the other hand if you do speak to him, STOP! You're more likely to succumb to his demands when you hear his voice, as it will doubtless take you back to the days when you were always trying to please him. You don't have to do this anymore!

You CAN do this OP! Sending you courage!😁

Charliecatpaws · 10/05/2025 22:40

Nolongersureofmyself · 10/05/2025 21:52

He is the only one who does any parenting, apparently. I am useless, stupid and a terrible parent so I’m told.

Remote parenting ? What a waste of space

Nolongersureofmyself · 10/05/2025 22:33

I’m heading to bed now but I just wanted to say thank you all for your very kind input and constructive messages. I appreciate it very much.

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Nolongersureofmyself · 10/05/2025 22:32

JohnofWessex · 10/05/2025 22:27

He sounds like my ex wife's doppleganger

May I make a suggestion, in part based on something that happened with my ex.

If he's coming to Heathrow & going 'Up North' then he could go M4 to Bristol then M5 North or, I suppose M4/A46/M40

How might either of those fit in if you live in the South West.

I live in the same neck of the woods and my ex wanted me to pick up my son from Nottingham on Boxing Day. I pointed out that it was perfectly possible to construct a route via Chez Moi on her way home to the South Coast which shut her up

funnily enough I did suggest a location which he could make a route out of. It’s still not good enough though! He just wants to drive straight up without diversion.

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Nolongersureofmyself · 10/05/2025 22:29

Gyozas · 10/05/2025 22:27

You sound meek OP and this cunt knows he can bully you and continue his abuse. Do not let this fucker win.

Yes, I agree. Even his mother made that observation...that I am too meek to say no. I’m trying to grow a pair, I promise!

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JohnofWessex · 10/05/2025 22:27

He sounds like my ex wife's doppleganger

May I make a suggestion, in part based on something that happened with my ex.

If he's coming to Heathrow & going 'Up North' then he could go M4 to Bristol then M5 North or, I suppose M4/A46/M40

How might either of those fit in if you live in the South West.

I live in the same neck of the woods and my ex wanted me to pick up my son from Nottingham on Boxing Day. I pointed out that it was perfectly possible to construct a route via Chez Moi on her way home to the South Coast which shut her up

Gyozas · 10/05/2025 22:27

You sound meek OP and this cunt knows he can bully you and continue his abuse. Do not let this fucker win.

Gyozas · 10/05/2025 22:20

Remind him, and yourself (!) of this element of your agreement:

We have a child arrangements order in place. One element of which is that, if we can’t agree on a handover location, then it is five mins from my home.

Nolongersureofmyself · 10/05/2025 22:19

vipersnest1 · 10/05/2025 22:07

‘DCX will be at Y place at Z time. Let
me know if you would like to go ahead with seeing them.’ You need to lay the path for the way you want things moving forward.

Yes, I think that’s what I’m lacking. I need to set out my limitations instead of constantly trying to help.

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LimitedBrightSpots · 10/05/2025 22:19

I'd tell him you're planning to be in Land's End that week, so halfway for you is actually 5 minutes from your house.

MainBain · 10/05/2025 22:17

I would agree with @28Fluctuations . Judge definitely did not expect agreement. You can say happy with up to 1hr driving from your house or the 5 minutes as per court order. No one can say that you are not trying to reach an agreement there. If he goes for 5min from your house he is clearly cutting his nose to spite his face and that is on him.

Nolongersureofmyself · 10/05/2025 22:17

BakelikeBertha · 10/05/2025 22:04

I agree with 'Nameftgigb', you're running around trying to be nice, still putting his needs before your own, as I suspect you did when you were together, and all this while he's bad mouthing you to your children. In my opinion your offer this time is MORE than reasonable, and having bent over backwards to help him last time, it should be HIM trying much harder to make it easier for you this time. Take the advice being given here, offer what you're happy to do, if it's 30 minutes, then that's fine, if he doesn't like it, he can collect them from 5 minutes away. He's shooting himself in the foot by being difficult, so time to make him realise that YOU have been MORE THAN REASONABLE, and if he won't play ball, well he'll be the one to pay the consequences.

You are right, that’s what I tried to do when we were together. So many times now do I wonder what I was thinking back then.

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Nolongersureofmyself · 10/05/2025 22:13

28Fluctuations · 10/05/2025 22:06

I was thinking after reading your OP, and the 5-minute scenario in the court order, that the judge did NOT expect you to agree. The court expected your ex to be massively unreasonable. They done you a good 'un, OP. That judge saw his cuntish behaviour and gave you a pass.

Do you think so. In my head it feels like I’ve got to try to agree something first and it’s so much pressure and conflict. I guess I just need to find some balls and say no to anything but either my suggestion or the 5 mins.

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RandomMess · 10/05/2025 22:08

It’s ridiculous you are offering 1.5 hours, drop back to one hour or 5 mins as per court order.

He should get the train to you then pick up his hire car.

You need boundaries fast. Call him out as being unreasonable and state due to his unpleasantness you are no longer prepared to do a 3 hour round trip seeing as though you already do X% of the parenting.

Nolongersureofmyself · 10/05/2025 22:07

ForgettingMeNot · 10/05/2025 22:04

How old is your child and once handed over to your ex, how will he be travelling with the child. Unless an older child, I’d be making whatever trip the most comfortable for the child and not the parents

Under ten, they will be driving. Whoever is driving, it’s still a long journey but I have no say in where he stays.

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