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Sister angry I “yanked” my nephew’s arm and told him off

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Mmemm · 10/05/2025 06:06

So I live with my parents (saving up for flat in London). My sister often visits with her child and husband.

We have a gorgeous 12 yo Golden Retriever who is enjoying his golden years sunbathing on the sofa. Anyway, I was in the living room on my phone when I saw my little toddler nephew go up to my dog on the sofa and hit him on the head with a coaster. Obviously it’s not heavy but I reacted as I am protective of my elderly dog, poor boy was dozing. I ran up to my nephew and held him by arm and said “we do not throw things at ‘Lucky’, how would you like it if I hit you in the face? That was very mean of you”. I took the coaster away from him and said if he can’t use it nicely then he can’t have it. Not a big deal. Pretty normal way to deal with it in my view. I may have been a little cross.

But sister is now demanding an apology. BIL was sat sort of to the side reading a magazine and snitched. Didn’t say anything at the time. Errr how how about you parent your child mate.

But apparently I was very overboard. I don’t think I was. I refuse to apologise on principal. Dog took it in his stride but you can’t be allowing shit
like that to happen.

In my mind sister can do one but parents have literally begged me as apparently she won’t visit whilst I am home 😂

OP posts:
SendBooksAndTea · 11/05/2025 18:11

Lostcat · 11/05/2025 18:03

She said “how would you like it if I hit you in the face” = a suggestion that she might potentially hit him in the face. “If I did x, then..” literally how the English language works.
Of course she had no intention to actually hit him in the face (well presumably) but a 2 year old isn’t to know that .

Edited

No suggestion of that at all, what utter nonsense. That phrase was simply to help him think how he wouldn't like it and so nor would the dog - to help him understand how the dog would feel. Perfectly normal and not suggestive of the op doing any actual hitting at all, the 2 year old would've understood that.

Lostcat · 11/05/2025 18:03

PinkSparklyPussyCat · 11/05/2025 18:00

Jesus Christ, that's not threatening to hit the kid!

If I was OP I'd take the dog and go out next time, I couldn't be bothered with the drama that appears to come with looking after the kid from two parents who can't be arsed.

She said “how would you like it if I hit you in the face” = a suggestion that she might potentially hit him in the face. “If I did x, then..” literally how the English language works.
Of course she had no intention to actually hit him in the face (well presumably) but a 2 year old isn’t to know that .

PinkSparklyPussyCat · 11/05/2025 18:00

Lostcat · 11/05/2025 17:51

I wrote:

”I don’t expect another adult to suggest to my 2 year old that they might hit them in the face.”

Thats exactly what OP did. She said “how would you like it if I hit you in the face”.

Jesus Christ, that's not threatening to hit the kid!

If I was OP I'd take the dog and go out next time, I couldn't be bothered with the drama that appears to come with looking after the kid from two parents who can't be arsed.

Lostcat · 11/05/2025 17:51

PinkSparklyPussyCat · 11/05/2025 17:35

Nope. As I said, even if I am not in the room I don’t expect another adult to suggest to my 2 year old that they might hit them in the face. That is not ok whether I am in the room or not.

Do you always make things up? OP did not threaten to hit the kid FFS. That would have meant her saying something along the lines of 'I'll hit you in the face if you don't leave the dog alone'. As you're perfectly aware that's not the same as her saying 'how would you like it if I hit you in the face?'. Two totally different meanings.

I wrote:

”I don’t expect another adult to suggest to my 2 year old that they might hit them in the face.”

Thats exactly what OP did. She said “how would you like it if I hit you in the face”.

KarmaKameelion · 11/05/2025 17:48

Cherrysoup · 11/05/2025 17:36

But the dog was lying minding its own business when it was hit. What was op supposed to do? Know the future and put the dog in a different room?

It was also the family dog as well…. Not specifically OPs dog

Lostcat · 11/05/2025 17:48

Katbum · 11/05/2025 17:46

And as I said, if you're not in the room you can't do much about it. Including knowing whether the tone, words etc were appropriate for the situation.

If someone smacked your child would you say “well if you’re not in the room you can’t to much about it”?

Katbum · 11/05/2025 17:46

Lostcat · 11/05/2025 17:16

if you are not in the room you don't have a choice about how your child is corrected. The answer is to not leave the room, or to accept that you have hadned responsibility to other adults.

Nope. As I said, even if I am not in the room I don’t expect another adult to suggest to my 2 year old that they might hit them in the face. That is not ok whether I am in the room or not.

And as I said, if you're not in the room you can't do much about it. Including knowing whether the tone, words etc were appropriate for the situation.

Cherrysoup · 11/05/2025 17:36

AmIturningintomymother · 10/05/2025 06:46

Yes, your BIL should clearly have been supervising your nephew but at the risk of stating the blindingly obvious, you also had a separate and stand-alone responsibility to supervise any possible interactions between a child and your dog. It’s your dog. You don’t just get to have a dog and expect other people to supervise all the potential interactions between the dog and children, without any involvement from you. Whether it’s in his own house with your nephew or in the park with children you’ve never met before, it is absolutely your responsibility to risk assess and make sure that there are no interactions that could lead him to snap at a child, especially bearing in mind that that child is 2 (not almost 3 at all) and will almost definitely behave unpredictably. It’s really quite something that you were laying hungover on the sofa not paying any attention to the potential interaction and then blamed a 2 year old for it?! Along with the tone of your responses on this thread, it’s not a huge surprise that your family are exasperated.

But the dog was lying minding its own business when it was hit. What was op supposed to do? Know the future and put the dog in a different room?

PinkSparklyPussyCat · 11/05/2025 17:35

Nope. As I said, even if I am not in the room I don’t expect another adult to suggest to my 2 year old that they might hit them in the face. That is not ok whether I am in the room or not.

Do you always make things up? OP did not threaten to hit the kid FFS. That would have meant her saying something along the lines of 'I'll hit you in the face if you don't leave the dog alone'. As you're perfectly aware that's not the same as her saying 'how would you like it if I hit you in the face?'. Two totally different meanings.

PinkSparklyPussyCat · 11/05/2025 17:32

WhatMummyMakesSheEats · 11/05/2025 16:51

God forbid a mother take a break when her husband and sister are in the child’s presence

Well she doesn't appear to like how her sister deals with the kid and the father doesn't appear bothered so maybe she should keep a closer eye on him

EilishMcCandlish · 11/05/2025 17:18

Dreichweather · 11/05/2025 12:12

No parents get things wrong all the time but good parents don’t continue to defend their actions, they apologise for their mistakes.

That presupposes that you agree a mistake has been made. Most people do not agree that OP made a mistake. Therefore, I conclude that it is the sister/BIL who needs to recognise they made a mistake and apologise.

Lostcat · 11/05/2025 17:16

Katbum · 11/05/2025 17:09

She didn't threaten to hit him in the face. She posed a pretty standard rhetorical question to try and get the child to see things from the perspective of the dog. "How would you like it I took your yoghurt?" was something I said to my own toddler yesterday when she snatched another child's snack at a party. I am sure people on mumsnet are too literal for real-world interactions. But above this, if you are not in the room you don't have a choice about how your child is corrected. The answer is to not leave the room, or to accept that you have hadned responsibility to other adults.

if you are not in the room you don't have a choice about how your child is corrected. The answer is to not leave the room, or to accept that you have hadned responsibility to other adults.

Nope. As I said, even if I am not in the room I don’t expect another adult to suggest to my 2 year old that they might hit them in the face. That is not ok whether I am in the room or not.

Katbum · 11/05/2025 17:09

Lostcat · 11/05/2025 08:52

Even if I’m not in the room, I don’t expect other adults to suggest to my 2 year old that they might hit them in the face. Or to accuse them of being “mean”.

You can call this “discipline” if you like, I call it a threat of physical violence, and a form of verbal abuse. It’ll be a hard no from me in any context.

Edited

She didn't threaten to hit him in the face. She posed a pretty standard rhetorical question to try and get the child to see things from the perspective of the dog. "How would you like it I took your yoghurt?" was something I said to my own toddler yesterday when she snatched another child's snack at a party. I am sure people on mumsnet are too literal for real-world interactions. But above this, if you are not in the room you don't have a choice about how your child is corrected. The answer is to not leave the room, or to accept that you have hadned responsibility to other adults.

WhatMummyMakesSheEats · 11/05/2025 16:51

Rosscameasdoody · 11/05/2025 08:28

Surely you’ve seen your sister’s parenting style?

Which appears to be chatting in another room while other people look after her kid.

Edited

God forbid a mother take a break when her husband and sister are in the child’s presence

Swiftie1878 · 11/05/2025 16:05

Butchyrestingface · 11/05/2025 15:48

You did, but you need to learn from us since you have a young nephew.

Who's the 'us' that the OP needs to learn from?

59% of voters think she was not being unreasonable.

Typo. Should have read ‘this’, not ‘us’.

TheHerboriste · 11/05/2025 16:00

PinkSparklyPussyCat · 11/05/2025 15:52

Whilst OP was kneeling down for a gentle chat the dog could have bitten the kid! No doubt the parents would have then blamed OP for not pulling him away. It was a spur of the moment reaction to prevent something happening.

Edited

Exactly.

Butchyrestingface · 11/05/2025 15:56

How long before the next 'Why is there such a chronic shortage of masochists people joining the teaching profession?' thread? Grin

chaosmaker · 11/05/2025 15:53

After reading this thread I can see why the country is full of horrible entitled people making everything worse for everyone else.... 'gentle ineffectual parenting'

PinkSparklyPussyCat · 11/05/2025 15:52

TheHerboriste · 11/05/2025 15:34

Knelt down for a gentle chat before removing him from next to the sofa within reach of the dog? Jesus H Christ, now I’ve heard everything.

Whilst OP was kneeling down for a gentle chat the dog could have bitten the kid! No doubt the parents would have then blamed OP for not pulling him away. It was a spur of the moment reaction to prevent something happening.

Butchyrestingface · 11/05/2025 15:48

Swiftie1878 · 11/05/2025 13:39

You did, but you need to learn from us since you have a young nephew.

The child’s father was RIGHT THERE!
You should have stood between the child and the dog and taken the coaster out of the child’s hand. Then, if the father didn’t see what happened, you should have told him right there and then - xxxx just hit the dog with this coaster.

You should not speak to young children in anger, and certainly not other people’s young children.

You did, but you need to learn from us since you have a young nephew.

Who's the 'us' that the OP needs to learn from?

59% of voters think she was not being unreasonable.

TheHerboriste · 11/05/2025 15:34

Ireallywantadoughnut36 · 11/05/2025 13:15

I don't think you should have grabbed him, 2to3 is pretty little, he wasn't choosing to be unkind, so i think I'd have knelt down and looked him in the eye and explained dogs don't like that, especially when they're asleep lets stroke him together kindly. Although given your BiL was right there, I'd be more likely to have elbowed him and said "can you please watch your son because he just whacked the dog with a coaster"
Having said all that, she's being unreasonable, you don't have kids, you won't know the "best" way of parenting and his dad wasn't watching him. Your dog is old and very important to you, you didn't hit or shout (unless you did) and presumably you didn't hurt him with the arm hold or bruise/mark him at all (if he was hurt, totally different!) She should just have rung you and said that isn't how we parent, please don't do it again and sorry my husband wasn't actually watching his own child. When mine were toddlers we didn't really ever stop watching them when at someone's house, especially with animals or anything fragile - it's a recipe for an issue (mother of a dd who was a cat tail puller...!!) Demanding an apology is a bit childish of her.

Knelt down for a gentle chat before removing him from next to the sofa within reach of the dog? Jesus H Christ, now I’ve heard everything.

pilates · 11/05/2025 15:31

You did, but you need to learn from us since you have a young nephew.
^
What does this mean?

There is no right or wrong here. Nobody was present to make such an opinion. You may think your opinion is right but there are many others that don’t.

Swiftie1878 · 11/05/2025 13:39

Mmemm · 10/05/2025 07:27

Why do people think I should know all of Supernanny’s parenting tactics? I’m not a parent or childhood development specialist. I had a horrible situation forced upon me.

You did, but you need to learn from us since you have a young nephew.

The child’s father was RIGHT THERE!
You should have stood between the child and the dog and taken the coaster out of the child’s hand. Then, if the father didn’t see what happened, you should have told him right there and then - xxxx just hit the dog with this coaster.

You should not speak to young children in anger, and certainly not other people’s young children.

WhenYouSayNothingAtAll · 11/05/2025 13:18

LoveFridaynight · 11/05/2025 12:09

You overreacted massively. I don't care if your nephew is 2 or 12 you don't threaten to smack them in the face!
Telling him off is one thing but to be so OTT is quite worrying. I don't think I'd want my child around you even if you did apologize.
You should have just taken the coaster and said we don't throw things at or hit our animals, you must use your kind hands.
Did you actually give your BIL a chance to intervene or did you just march in and start telling the child off (and threatening them)? Also he snitched on you? You sound about 12 . Why was it a problem he told your sister unless you knew you'd overreacted

Except OP didn’t threaten him with a smack to the face. A question is not a statement/threat. Did she expect a little bit much from his comprehension skills? Probably, she still didn’t threaten him.

Ireallywantadoughnut36 · 11/05/2025 13:15

I don't think you should have grabbed him, 2to3 is pretty little, he wasn't choosing to be unkind, so i think I'd have knelt down and looked him in the eye and explained dogs don't like that, especially when they're asleep lets stroke him together kindly. Although given your BiL was right there, I'd be more likely to have elbowed him and said "can you please watch your son because he just whacked the dog with a coaster"
Having said all that, she's being unreasonable, you don't have kids, you won't know the "best" way of parenting and his dad wasn't watching him. Your dog is old and very important to you, you didn't hit or shout (unless you did) and presumably you didn't hurt him with the arm hold or bruise/mark him at all (if he was hurt, totally different!) She should just have rung you and said that isn't how we parent, please don't do it again and sorry my husband wasn't actually watching his own child. When mine were toddlers we didn't really ever stop watching them when at someone's house, especially with animals or anything fragile - it's a recipe for an issue (mother of a dd who was a cat tail puller...!!) Demanding an apology is a bit childish of her.