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Sister angry I “yanked” my nephew’s arm and told him off

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Mmemm · 10/05/2025 06:06

So I live with my parents (saving up for flat in London). My sister often visits with her child and husband.

We have a gorgeous 12 yo Golden Retriever who is enjoying his golden years sunbathing on the sofa. Anyway, I was in the living room on my phone when I saw my little toddler nephew go up to my dog on the sofa and hit him on the head with a coaster. Obviously it’s not heavy but I reacted as I am protective of my elderly dog, poor boy was dozing. I ran up to my nephew and held him by arm and said “we do not throw things at ‘Lucky’, how would you like it if I hit you in the face? That was very mean of you”. I took the coaster away from him and said if he can’t use it nicely then he can’t have it. Not a big deal. Pretty normal way to deal with it in my view. I may have been a little cross.

But sister is now demanding an apology. BIL was sat sort of to the side reading a magazine and snitched. Didn’t say anything at the time. Errr how how about you parent your child mate.

But apparently I was very overboard. I don’t think I was. I refuse to apologise on principal. Dog took it in his stride but you can’t be allowing shit
like that to happen.

In my mind sister can do one but parents have literally begged me as apparently she won’t visit whilst I am home 😂

OP posts:
SirSorrySeur · 10/05/2025 07:45

And yanking and 2 year old should never be seen in the same sentence.

lilydragon · 10/05/2025 07:45

Tell your sister you’ll apologise once BIL apologises for not supervising his kid properly. I’ve got a toddler and wouldn’t be that fussed if my sister told him off in the way you did even if it’s not the exact same way I would react. He’s not going to be scarred for life, most likely forgot about it two seconds later so she needs to get a grip or otherwise ensure she is parenting her own child properly 100% of the time he’s around animals if she feels so strongly about this. All the gentle parents will disagree with me but I dont see anything wrong with the phrase you used either, maybe the toddler is too young to understand or maybe it helps them realise not to do it again, either way I don’t believe they will literally think you are about to hit them in the face and be scared of you going forward, that’s ridiculous.

TheWildZebra · 10/05/2025 07:45

I don’t think you did anything wrong. A tug on his arm will be significantly less traumatising than a bite in the face from the dog - for everyone involved. You want to make sure that the boundary isn’t pushed again, which I feel like the gently gently approach suggested by others could have led to.

IButtleSir · 10/05/2025 07:44

Mmemm · 10/05/2025 06:18

2 is very different from an almost 3 yo.

???? An "almost 3 year old" is literally 2. That is how ages, and indeed numbers, work.

Diarygirlqueen · 10/05/2025 07:44

I think you handled it wrongly, you used inappropriate language and actions. You're not a parent so that's understandable. I think you should explain your side of the story calmly because you were protecting your dog and nephew, albeit too strongly.

However, you don't seem to take on board anyone's opinions and come across aggressively so I can't see this being resolved, which is a shame for your mum.

Rosscameasdoody · 10/05/2025 07:44

Goldbar · 10/05/2025 07:42

@Hufflemuff . I disagree with you - BIL should have prevented this. As the parent in charge, he should have been physically between the child and dog.

You can't take a break or become engrossed in a magazine when young children are around dogs. You need to be aware of the location of dog and child at all time and be constantly assessing the risk to both.

This is what I mean by saying that most people are unwilling to supervise dogs properly around young children. This is why it is so difficult as a responsible parent staying in a house with a young child who is not used to dogs. You just can't rely on other people to be "on it" because they think supervising from the other side of the room is fine.

Unless the child is actively supervised, dog and child need to be physically separated. I take my child to the loo with me and in the bathroom when I shower when we stay with our relative.

This.

Mummypie21 · 10/05/2025 07:43

Unrelated38 · 10/05/2025 06:16

So 2. The number before 3 is 2. You threatened a 2 year old. 🤣

For future reference, you take the coaster away nicely and say "no that's not kind, it hurts, we don't hurt animals."

You don't grab at children, or shout a them. Or threaten to hit them.

Personally I wouldn't be leaving my child unsupervised around you.

Edited

I agree with the above poster. My niece is the same age and she tried to hit my 3 year old son. I just stopped her and told her that hitting hurts and we use kind hands. I wouldn't say 'how would you like it if I hit you?' because she wouldn't understand.

If it was my 7 year old son hitting then my words would be harsher because he has the understanding.

HopingForTheBest25 · 10/05/2025 07:43

@KarmaKameelion I absolutely would say it to a man. I have two brothers and a sister and all were loving and kind to my children, so that is my norm.
Don't be looking for sexism where none exists - parents generally want their own siblings to care about their nieces/nephews and have strong bonds, whether those siblings be male or female.

SirSorrySeur · 10/05/2025 07:43

Of course his parents should have been dealing with it in the first place if they were there. Of course it's not on to hit the dog. He probably didi it because the adults were all boring and occupied with themselves, neglecting him and he managed to get everyone and Mumsnet's attention. He's clever.

Rosscameasdoody · 10/05/2025 07:42

TheHerboriste · 10/05/2025 07:39

This is batshit. The SIL doesn’t think it’s her responsibility to watch her own child?

Good riddance, then.

Amazing isn’t it ? And the childs’ own father was in the room, wasn’t paying attention and blamed OP for intervening the way she did. So let’s blame the non parent female for the shit parenting from the actual male parent.

Lostcat · 10/05/2025 07:42

Mmemm · 10/05/2025 06:16

He knows not to throw his food. He’s been told to be gentle with our pets. He knows better in my view. He’s almost three. Nephew can definitely be communicated with and understands.

Oh my goodness he’s 2!!!! “4 months off 3” is 2! It’s not even close to three.

Your behaviour was wildly inappropriate, I cannot believe what you said to him. If I were your sister I’d be furious.

Goldbar · 10/05/2025 07:42

@Hufflemuff . I disagree with you - BIL should have prevented this. As the parent in charge, he should have been physically between the child and dog.

You can't take a break or become engrossed in a magazine when young children are around dogs. You need to be aware of the location of dog and child at all time and be constantly assessing the risk to both.

This is what I mean by saying that most people are unwilling to supervise dogs properly around young children. This is why it is so difficult as a responsible parent staying in a house with a young child who is not used to dogs. You just can't rely on other people to be "on it" because they think supervising from the other side of the room is fine.

Unless the child is actively supervised, dog and child need to be physically separated. I take my child to the loo with me and in the bathroom when I shower when we stay with our relative.

Sherararara · 10/05/2025 07:41

SnugMintFawn · 10/05/2025 07:32

Literally no one on this entire thread thinks it’s fine to hit a dog in the face with a coaster 🤦‍♀️ nobody thinks they should have let the toddler carry on hitting the dog. Step in, yes. Stop them, yes. Tell them “no, we don’t hit Lucky”, yes.
Being unnecessarily aggressive and saying things like “how would you like it if I hit you” to a 2yo…. No.

Exactly this. You were over the top on your reaction.

Woodywoodpecker321 · 10/05/2025 07:41

If your nephew is a young toddler I think you were harsh - you taught him not be mean by meaning mean.....

However saying that, his parents should be teaching and parenting him.

Heyheyitsanotherday · 10/05/2025 07:40

I completely get this. And actually you could have saved your nephew as well. We often have dog bites come in our hospital from breeds you wouldn’t expect. Labradors and golden retrievers are known for their nice nature. But when they are snoozing and unexpectedly have an incident like this they’ll sometimes wake and snap by mistake. Children need to be taught young to respect animals. Your sister is being precious

ladeedarrrry · 10/05/2025 07:40

Ffs your DS is being ridiculous. And your drip of a BIL. They’d soon be moaning when DDog bit toddler in the face. You might have a been a bit heavy handed as pp said but you did nothing wrong. YANBU

Rosscameasdoody · 10/05/2025 07:40

Hufflemuff · 10/05/2025 07:36

None of us can judge fairly because we weren't there. Tone is everything and BIL should have the balls to call you out there and then over behaviour if he felt you were out of line.

It's also unfair to expect BIL to prevent this too, so what he was reading a magazine, are parents not allowed to read whilst their 2 year old is awake. Even if he wasn't reading, it takes 2 seconds for a child to raise his arm and clock the dog - unless you literally walk around a house holding their hand (which is ridiculous).

I think your tone on here is very aggressive, which, reading between the lines does make me think you could have overreacted. Especially as you were hungover, which can make the best of us snappy.

Yes your back was up about the dog, but maybe you could have moved the dog into another room if you knew he didn't like being around young children or wouldn't react well to a sudden whack or pull whilst sleeping.

The mental gymnastics to put the blame on OP here are impressive. The actual parent was in the room. It’s is child. He should have been keeping an eye on him simply because the dog was in the room. But he didn’t. And typically, shit parenting from a man is ignored in favour of heaping criticism on the non parent woman.

TheHerboriste · 10/05/2025 07:39

Goldbar · 10/05/2025 07:23

With a dog in the house, though, someone needs to be actively supervising your nephew at all times.

If you know your BIL isn't doing this, then either ask him to supervise more closely, fetch your SIL, remove dog from the dangerous situation or supervise yourself.

Your SIL is not being unreasonable to refuse to visit your parents if providing proper supervision is going to be 100% on her. I've been in that situation, it's wearing and I can't get anyone else to take supervision of the child around the dog particularly seriously.

This is batshit. The SIL doesn’t think it’s her responsibility to watch her own child?

Good riddance, then.

Greenartywitch · 10/05/2025 07:39

You did nothing wrong.

The dog could have snapped back and your nephew needs to learn how to handle animals and how to be safe around them.

Tell your sister to get lost...

Just another sign of entitled parents.

SirSorrySeur · 10/05/2025 07:39

You don't need to do gentle parenting to get this across in a better way .

A very stern look, a sharp no and taking the coaster away immediately would have worked better. Then op or the mum should have said we don't hit <insert name> he get sad and scared. Also never ever approach a sleeping dog, it's not fair as they feel safe.

"How would you like it if I hit you in the face?" yep that sounds chavy and aggressive. DO you usually lack in social skills and empathy?

Viviennemary · 10/05/2025 07:39

I wouldn't invite them again. The parents are severely lacking. It's always somebody else's fault with these types of parents.

Walkerzoo · 10/05/2025 07:38

I have seen a dog bite when he was woke from his sleep
You did the right thing. Maybe a litte heavy.

BallerinaRadio · 10/05/2025 07:38

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Fucking hell is that really something you want to say out loud?

Bearbookagainandagain · 10/05/2025 07:36

Mmemm · 10/05/2025 07:27

Why do people think I should know all of Supernanny’s parenting tactics? I’m not a parent or childhood development specialist. I had a horrible situation forced upon me.

But it's not a "horrible situation". The dog was fine. You are making this a much bigger deal than it was, grow up!

If you really have an issue with the situation then shout at your BIL. And stay away from the kid.

Hebfgusa · 10/05/2025 07:36

Arancia · 10/05/2025 07:32

It doesn't sound like either of them are the disciplining type, though...

Expressing anger at a child is rarely effective as a teaching method. It looks more satisfactory to an adult with our empathy for a harsh treatment but kindness and firmness works better than "discipline" if you want behavioural changes