A Deadly American Marriage

I agree. At first I thought he sounded unpleasant, but when I rewound it she constantly interrupts him or starts talking to the children so he gets frustrated. He might not have been perfect but Molly is absolutely unhinged.
The throwing her head forward and sobbing?
The two children I feel for. Especially the son bless him.

I just watched this. Molly’s lawyer was talking such utter bollocks, making out that Mags could have died from internal injuries of strangulation without any external signs on her neck. Mags’ father said in his sworn statement that he’d only ever met Molly’s father once and that they had never discussed Mags’ death. He was just doing everything g he could to blacken Jason’s name.

I watched this for the first time the other day then I listened to big mad true crime podcast then I read Tracey’s (Jason’s sister) book. Today I tried to watch it again - I’ve had to turn it off Molly is deranged she lies like she’s telling the truth - I don’t think I’ve ever seen anyone lie without even the most minuscule amount of leakage, and her dad is one creepy as shit guy they planned it together, they drugged him, and they killed him as sure as I’m sat here. how they have managed to twist the system just shows what a state the whole justice system is in in the USA.

I've started listening to the "Big Mad True Crime" podcast where they do a deep dive into the case.

According to the podcast, she was still actually engaged when she moved to Ireland, and her fiance was waiting for her to come back.

It also mentioned that she'd approached Jason directly about the au pair job, and was not actually vetted by the agency

Does anyone find it strange that her mother has no part in this documentary?

She had a miscarriage in a previous relationship where she horrifically abused her partner. He wrote a book about it prior to the murder.

She had had a miscarriage previously.

I wanted to know why she was so desperate to have the children? If she wanted to be a mum why didn’t she have her own?

Another thing that stood out to me that she always called herself their mother and how much she missed them.

Yet, during a court hearing, I believe when a date was set for a retrial, she refused to look at the children.

Obviously neither Molly or her father will ever recount exactly what happened.

I think it would drive most people wary and angry if a new wife had designs on their children.

Poor kids, I hope they are getting on OK getting caught up in the middle of all this.

So if a woman is insane a man is to blame?

Of course, her behaviour can be blamed on him..he’s a man he must have been abusive 🙄

Her mother heard her scream yet went back to sleep? And didn’t hear the brutal attack but heard her initial scream. Remember that none of them are related to the kids so they had no interest as family. She actually looks evil.

Oh please, the viciousness of her attack was evil. You make excuses because she’s a woman?

Exactly. This really stood out for me. This murder was 100% premeditated.

Watched this tonight. I was sheding a few tears for the children.

Molly is absolutely batshit crazy.

I thought all of the above too - I think she acted like an absolute lunatic. The recordings of the "verbal abuse" were nothing of the sort - they were of a man frustrated that she was constantly overriding him and trying to take over his children. He had her number - the emails the sister found - and he knew that if she adopted the kids, she would break it off and keep them. Edited for spelling

I think Jason knew she wanted to take the children and was getting more and more wound up.

She had the advantage of recording conversations without his knowledge so could manipulate it into being the poor downtrodden wife.

She also said her father had served his country for most of his life - that doesn't give him (and her?) the right to kill him.

Yeah the line about no regrets stuck with me too. Even if it was legitimately self defence if I took another life, especially in such a violent way it would haunt me I’m sure of that. He was absolutely dead behind the eyes and his arrogance in general made my blood boil. How he described the father of Jason’s first wife as being uneducated (because he had a strong Irish accent, being born in Ireland wtf?) and then the blatant lies about Jason causing the death of his first wife were despicable.

He clearly felt that his background in the FBI meant he had the right to kill whoever the fuck he wanted to and should get away with it.

I watched this last night.
I cannot understand how the charge was reduced was he was clearly senselessly hit to death over and over. Even with the self defence argument, the level of violence surely goes above anything like this?
I also don't understand how they got to question and throw away the asthma attack cause of death of his first wife. There was a pathology report and no indication of injuries that would suggest strangulation.
I also felt it was very onesided that they got to character assassinate Jason (with many lies) but Molly's ex (who was so traumatised he wrote a book before this) was not interviewed.

In one segment, Molly’s dad said ‘I have no regrets’ and he said it in a way that gave me chills. Even if it had been self defence, most normal humans would feel some kind of negative emotion at having to take a human life. Bludgeoning someone to death is an extremely violent thing to do and I think a normal person would have feelings of horror and revulsion at what they’d had to do.

Absolutely, everything upthread!
I could not get my head around how these bloody psychopaths had managed to manipulate the justice systems so much in their favour that they got released!
Her motives were clear as day, the many inconsistencies and lies from both her and her father were also paper-thin. But the biggest thing that struck me is the manner of the killing, which there's ZERO dispute over - Extreme and Excessive, Malicious and nothing to do with self defense.
IMO, there's no need for tooing and froing much over the rest, when they had this kind of evidence, a man beaten to a pulp by countless strikes. How just how did anyone in the courtroom think they were innocent?!
Disgusting lies about Mag's dad. And dont get me started on the urine BS or the tiny scratch on her neck "indicating strangulation"🙄

Those poor children lost so much and in such a short space of time. The fact they’ve grown up to be such wonderful people is a credit to their family who raised them and how strong they are.

In contrast, you look at Molly Martens and her apparently normal upbringing with a “normal” family and look at what she turned out to be: a violent, selfish, manipulative proven liar. Of course, those things don’t mean she can’t be the victim of domestic abuse but those recordings of Jason and Molly arguing don’t really prove much imo. No, Jason doesn’t come across well in them but from personal experience being a toxic relationship doesn’t help make you a reasonable and measured person.
But then again, Molly’s father is a liar too.

I’m really shocked that the Martens had their convictions overturned and are now out of prison- even if Jason’s death had been in self defence (I don’t believe it was) it was overkill- he was dead long before they stopped hitting him with the brick and baseball bat. I’m not sure how old Molly is now but I sincerely hope she does not go on to have children of her own at any point. She is a dangerous narcissist.

After watching this, I 100% believe that Molly has some type of personality disorder. She is most definitely a narcissist.

My hunch is that she became weirdly obsessed with these children, and having this picture perfect life. She wanted to be painted as a victim.
I think Jason was making immediate plans to leave that fateful day (perhaps after another argument), where she then called her parents up to try and put a stop to him leaving and have them as witnesses to his "behaviour" (that she provoked beforehand).
I think at some point, Molly had tried to drug Jason with sleeping pills to delay him leaving that night.
In a fit of rage, I think Molly struck Jason with a cinderblock (from behind) and had killed him with repeated strikes. I think the dad used the bat and struck a few times afterwards to build a self defence story to try and get his daughter off the hook for murder.
The marks on her neck, I think were self inflicted (easily done really with enough force) and the urine mark shows a loss of bladder control (not full incontinence) which can be explained by excessive drinking (on her part) or even exilheration/fear of actually carrying out the act. If she had complete loss of control of her bladder, there would be an obvious smell and there would be a LOT more. E.g. my pelvic floor is weak and if I drink a bit and sneeze, I can leak too!

They both disgust me.

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I watched this and felt sick to my stomach. I feel for Jack and Sarah losing both parents but thank god for their aunt and uncle. I sincerely hope they find peace.

Molly and her dad are just not credible people, he's a cold liar and she's a nut job. They're convincing nobody. The only good thing about this programme is that more people can see what they are and give them a wide bearth.