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To want to burn one of each Religious text today?

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JustMakingAPoint · 09/05/2025 07:54

Not because I hate or dislike them.

Not because I think burning books is good (I do not)

But because I should be able too. Because we have no Blasphemy laws and mean as it is, it’s not illegal and shouldn’t be.

And I want to do it to all of them to make the point it’s not about Islam, though it is provoked by today’s news.

This country is secular, blasphemy laws do not exist. And they shouldn’t.

if it takes every person burning a single religious book of their choosing to make the point - then I’m up for that.

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ARealitycheck · 09/05/2025 15:29

hummousnothamas · 09/05/2025 14:50

A world where you don't do things because they upset people, is a world that the most upset-able rule.

That is not a world any of us should want to live in.

Mature democracies understand this. Being upset does not mean you are right. And, importantly, it does not mean that you or your beliefs are harmless.

Utter tosh. By that thinking I could stand in the High Street naked and pleasure myself. I don't do it because it has been decided by the majority (and written in books) that doing so would land me in trouble.

SorcererGaheris · 09/05/2025 15:27

CantStopMoving · 09/05/2025 13:59

But morality is subjective. It bothers you. It doesn’t bother me. That is how it should be. We all need to learn to just ignore people who do things we don’t like.

@CantStopMoving

I agree, at least in certain respects. (I think there are particular morals that pretty much should be objectively true.) Others are, of course, entirely subjective.

I don't think it necessarily needs to be ignored, at least not by everyone who would find it bothersome. I think it should be taken into account that Paganism is an area that is already misunderstood, marginalised to some degree, and has a lot of undeserved prejudice against it, and individual Pagans can be subject to bigotry on the basis of their practice.

Burning texts associated with Pagan traditions could be seen as fuelling/promoting this kind of prejudice.

So, in the interests of counteracting ignorance and prejudice against Paganism, it is reasonable to criticise such actions and those who undertake them unjustly.

Correct me if I'm mistaken, but I'm getting the impression that you personally don't care either way about Paganism or individual Pagans? (Which is fine, that's your choice.)

However, those of us that would like to challenge bigotry against Paganism can do well to call out actions that target/brand Paganism unfairly.

inamarina · 09/05/2025 15:08

hummousnothamas · 09/05/2025 14:50

A world where you don't do things because they upset people, is a world that the most upset-able rule.

That is not a world any of us should want to live in.

Mature democracies understand this. Being upset does not mean you are right. And, importantly, it does not mean that you or your beliefs are harmless.

Well said.

inamarina · 09/05/2025 14:52

nomas · 09/05/2025 14:28

The point is, they exist.

Okay, so they still do in NI.
You said in your previous post that Christianity was already protected by law - is it really though if said law is never enforced?
Would someone burning a copy of the Bible be prosecuted in NI? Not that I think that they should be.

hummousnothamas · 09/05/2025 14:50

ARealitycheck · 09/05/2025 14:41

You can burn books to your hearts content. Filming and showing them being burned knowing it will cause upset to certain people is a completely different thing, and rightly so should be condemned.

A world where you don't do things because they upset people, is a world that the most upset-able rule.

That is not a world any of us should want to live in.

Mature democracies understand this. Being upset does not mean you are right. And, importantly, it does not mean that you or your beliefs are harmless.

Grammarnut · 09/05/2025 14:43

CurlewKate · 09/05/2025 09:18

Can you link to some
details about this new law, please?

I will have a look.

ARealitycheck · 09/05/2025 14:41

You can burn books to your hearts content. Filming and showing them being burned knowing it will cause upset to certain people is a completely different thing, and rightly so should be condemned.

nomas · 09/05/2025 14:31

CantStopMoving · 09/05/2025 14:30

are we? I assumed this was an English based discussion as the OP referred to ‘this country’ , as in England

You can assume what you want, doesn’t make it right.

CantStopMoving · 09/05/2025 14:30

nomas · 09/05/2025 14:27

Well we’re taking about the UK, ok?

are we? I assumed this was an English based discussion as the OP referred to ‘this country’ , as in England

nomas · 09/05/2025 14:28

inamarina · 09/05/2025 14:20

Are blasphemy laws being enforced in NI?

The point is, they exist.

nomas · 09/05/2025 14:27

CantStopMoving · 09/05/2025 14:04

Not in England- that is where I am and I think the OP is

Edited

Well we’re taking about the UK, ok?

TheWombatleague · 09/05/2025 14:23

KT1113 · 09/05/2025 13:29

Yes, he has - causing actual bodily harm and possession of an offensive weapon

He might have got away with the possession charge if he'd been a Sikh carrying a Kirpan.

inamarina · 09/05/2025 14:20

nomas · 09/05/2025 14:01

Yea there are in NI, and NI is part of the UK.

Are blasphemy laws being enforced in NI?

godmum56 · 09/05/2025 14:11

KT1113 · 09/05/2025 13:03

Yes and she can do that, there's no law against it. Burning it outside a mosque, like the man in the news story being referred to, is inflammatory (literally and figuratively!) and should absolutely have consequences.

The abortion clinic/praying is the best comaparison I've seen on here!

yup that's what i said. Its the intent which is illegal and not the action

hummousnothamas · 09/05/2025 14:10

Why would you wish to extinguish learning and others opinions and beliefs
Why would you want to mindlessly offend others in such a pointless act

@DrPrunesqualer You are making big assumptions about why people would burn books. I suggest you listen to the Anti-Social episode I linked to above. For some ex-Muslims being able to 'disrespect' the Qy'ran is an important expression that they are now living in society where they will not be killed/ imprisoned etc for no longer being a Muslim or submitting to Muslim beliefs. You do not live in an oppressive theocracy or theocratic community and cannot perhaps understand why they feel the way they do.

Burning books can be done to oppress a group of people ( like the Nazis did) or it can be expression of liberation from, or defiance of, a group of people who are trying to oppress you.

CantStopMoving · 09/05/2025 14:04

nomas · 09/05/2025 14:02

Yes there are, as I’ve said in the post above. Don’t just believe everything you hear, OK?

Not in England- that is where I am and I think the OP is

hummousnothamas · 09/05/2025 14:04

MyrtlethePurpleTurtle · 09/05/2025 12:18

"Yes, I’d imagine he was “just burning a book” in the same way people outside abortion clinics are “just praying”. They aren’t. They’re trying to intimidate women accessing healthcare"

Spot on.

But you don't need to imagine.

You can actually read about the case which is linked to above which will show you the comparison made here is entirely bogus. This was an act of political protest against the assassination (murder) of a political protestor in Sweden, and against the President of Turkey, Erdogan.

What you have illustrated here is the problem of people not bothering to look into cases but instead ' imaging' and then condemning people based on their own prejudiced ' imaginings.

nomas · 09/05/2025 14:02

CantStopMoving · 09/05/2025 12:55

no there isn’t as explained in the quote you responded to

Edited

Yes there are, as I’ve said in the post above. Don’t just believe everything you hear, OK?

nomas · 09/05/2025 14:01

inamarina · 09/05/2025 13:10

There are already blasphemy laws to protect Christianity.

In the UK? No, there aren’t.

Yea there are in NI, and NI is part of the UK.

CantStopMoving · 09/05/2025 13:59

SorcererGaheris · 09/05/2025 13:33

@CantStopMoving

No, it shouldn't be criminalised, which I did state before. It is LEGALLY justifiable to burn texts associated with pagan religions. But IMO it is not MORALLY justifiable, because pagan religions are not trying to limit freedom of speech, or take away other rights.

Yes, people should have the complete freedom to burn texts associated with Pagan traditions if they wish to, but I'm going to call them prejudiced dicks if they do.

But morality is subjective. It bothers you. It doesn’t bother me. That is how it should be. We all need to learn to just ignore people who do things we don’t like.

PansyP · 09/05/2025 13:55

We dont have blasphemy laws, however, the UK is not a secular country. We have a state religion

steff13 · 09/05/2025 13:36

But because I should be able too. Because we have no Blasphemy laws and mean as it is, it’s not illegal and shouldn’t be.

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SorcererGaheris · 09/05/2025 13:33

CantStopMoving · 09/05/2025 13:30

Prejudiced maybe but again should it be criminalised?

@CantStopMoving

No, it shouldn't be criminalised, which I did state before. It is LEGALLY justifiable to burn texts associated with pagan religions. But IMO it is not MORALLY justifiable, because pagan religions are not trying to limit freedom of speech, or take away other rights.

Yes, people should have the complete freedom to burn texts associated with Pagan traditions if they wish to, but I'm going to call them prejudiced dicks if they do.

Panicmode1 · 09/05/2025 13:31

KT1113 · 09/05/2025 13:29

Yes, he has - causing actual bodily harm and possession of an offensive weapon

Thank you - I hadn't seen that. (Quite right that he has too!)

CantStopMoving · 09/05/2025 13:30

SorcererGaheris · 09/05/2025 13:23

@CantStopMoving

If they own copies, then of course they should legally be allowed to burn them. But the OP has stated that their desire to do this is in a protest against blasphemy laws. Considering Pagan religions (as well as a number of others) are not trying to limit freedom of expression through blasphemy laws, there's no MORAL justification to burn texts associated with those particular religions, even if it is (rightly) legal to do so.

Bringing other religions that AREN'T causing a problem into this issue is not only pointless, but also prejudiced, IMO.

Prejudiced maybe but again should it be criminalised?