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To fade friendship because of TG Ideologist remark?

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ballroomblue · 08/05/2025 09:35

NC for this.

We were out with one of our friends when he, a labour voter. mentioned Keir Starmer. He said he thinks Starmer is good man but a bit dull.

I replied 'I have no respect for Windsock Starmer whatsoever because of his support of transgender ideology and claims that 'transwomen are women.'

I usually don't get drawn in to political discussions but I had to speak up.

Our friend calmly replied. "Well, that's a non-issue."

I immediately saw red. My face heated up and the rage surged through me at this remark, something which I rarely experience.

Somehow I managed to bite my tongue and stop myself from reacting.

I've known this friend for over a decade, have always been fond of him and see him quite a lot, but am now questioning whether I want to spend time with someone so dismissive and lacking in insight and plain ignorant of the reality of the catastrophic effects to women that TDI has had.

Please be honest - am I overreacting?

OP posts:
GC5 · 08/05/2025 09:55

I have friends with all sorts of differing political views. I am GC and am friends with people who aren’t. There are definitely some views that would make me take a step back from a friendship - racism, misogyny etc. But that is largely because I’d think they were stupid and held fundamentally awful views, and so I would lose respect for them. Why would I be friends with someone I don’t respect?

But with the gender issue, my feeling is that unless people really dig into the issues, then the TRA campaign has been very successful at sounding reasonable. Most people won’t have thought any more deeply about the impacts. I am much more forgiving in those circumstances.

My decision on whether to remain friends with someone in this situation is whether I can have a reasonable conversation about it, and agree to disagree. Sometimes it has even resulted in people changing their minds. Sometimes it hasn’t. But they are not fundamentally bad people, unworthy of respect. So we stay friends and respect one another’s right to hold differing views.

KimberleyClark · 08/05/2025 09:53

It’s also very childish to call politicians names because you don’t agree with them. See it all the time here though, and it’s mostly from Tory/Reform supporters towards Labour politicians.

ExtraOnions · 08/05/2025 09:48

This sums up why all debates in this country so quickly turn to name calling and rage. When did we get to the point where we were unable to discuss things, where we have to be “right”, where we are unable to accept that other people have different opinions.

Not everything has to be an argument. I have friends who voted Leave, whilst I voted Remain. I have friends who are TRA, whist I am GC .. my job is not to hector these people, and get them to change thier mind .. they are allowed there own views.

That’s not to say if someone says something that wildly incorrect I won’t point it out.

Pleasantsort · 08/05/2025 09:48

My brothers are like this. Doesn't affect them as it is only women and girls innit. I keep a respectable distance. Feckers. I get it, OP.

PaintYourAssLikeRembrandt · 08/05/2025 09:47

Did you have to speak up? All he said was he liked him but he's a bit dull. He wasn't giving a power point presentation on his manifesto and forcing you to listen.

ballroomblue · 08/05/2025 09:46

Thank you for your honest answers! 'm having a word with myself now and I'm so glad I didn't answer back.

If anything I've been a bit of a people pleaser in the past and not voiced my opinions when I should. So I think my judgement is off and I'm over-compensating!

Deep down I don't want to end the friendship. I have no idea why I reacted so strongly. I rarely do. We never discuss politic normally and I can't remember even how it came up.

OP posts:
ErrolTheDragon · 08/05/2025 09:44

I don’t think you’re unreasonable to be upset by his dismissive attitude - it should have been obvious to him from your remark that it’s not a non-issue for you.
Some men are blind to it though (well, some privileged women are too come to that!), so maybe you should explain it all to him.

it was probably just as well you didn’t respond in the heat of the moment but tbh I think like many women you underreacted - bite the tongue, be polite.

tripleginandtonic · 08/05/2025 09:44

I'd have had to put my views across to him I that situation.
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BabyOrca · 08/05/2025 09:43

Of course it's a non-issue, it concerns womens rights after all.

WhereIsMyJumper · 08/05/2025 09:40

Yes, you’re overreacting.

FWIW, I agree with your stance on this but I don’t agree with dropping friends just because they hold different opinions to you. That’s how you end up in an echo chamber.
You could have had a respectful debate about it. Or in future, avoid the topic altogether but you don’t ditch a friend for disagreeing with you. That’s ridiculous.

Punzel · 08/05/2025 09:40

Don’t lose a friend over this. Just don’t discuss it.

Shoxfordian · 08/05/2025 09:40

It's a non issue to him. The Supreme Court judgement agrees with you and KS said it gave clarity. Do you really need to cut off a friend over this? Why are you so invested?

Zinnialime · 08/05/2025 09:39

You sound unhinged. Can you elaborate on the catastrophic effects please?

NeedToChangeName · 08/05/2025 09:38

It's possible to maintain a friendship despite different politics / views