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To think cars and wheelie bins are big factors in why a lot of areas look terrible?

204 replies

Netamount · 07/05/2025 08:31

Cars are everywhere - households with two or three. Front gardens concreted over, walls demolished to create parking. Streets double parked. New build estates (that should know better) with inadequate parking, so cars are everywhere. Narrow streets and attractive buildings demolished for relief roads and widening.

Most UK houses weren’t built with four massive bins in mind. Many don’t have easy access to the street from the back, so they have to be kept at the front, and look awful.

I’ve no solutions really (I have a car and four bins too), just wondering what other people thought?

OP posts:
Redpeach · 07/05/2025 11:13

faerietales · 07/05/2025 11:06

Every single person on this planet does something that’s inconvenient for others 🤷‍♀️

For me, my car is cheap, convenient and a hell of a lot quicker than trying to use public transport. As I said upthread, I can get to my parents in 40 minutes by car - it’s four hours on public transport and costs about ten times as much. A taxi is a similar price as it’s well out of the company’s area.

Only a complete and utter fool would pick public transport over a car. And that’s hardly a rare scenario - especially if you’re transporting a family or multiple people, plus baggage etc.

So all the families and households in the uk who live without cars are utter fools?

Redpeach · 07/05/2025 11:11

faerietales · 07/05/2025 11:09

Yep, but they’re not always convenient in terms of availability.

Availability is the same online or in person

faerietales · 07/05/2025 11:09

Redpeach · 07/05/2025 11:06

supermarket deliveries go right to your doorstep

Yep, but they’re not always convenient in terms of availability.

faerietales · 07/05/2025 11:07

Redpeach · 07/05/2025 11:04

You can cycle without soaking in sweat, and the more that cycle the safer it will be hir everyone

Not round here you can’t 😬 unless you’re super fit and can cycle up a hill in a NSL zone with no pavements or lights - in which case, go right ahead 🤣

faerietales · 07/05/2025 11:06

Redpeach · 07/05/2025 11:01

Not convenient for the people they inconvenience

Every single person on this planet does something that’s inconvenient for others 🤷‍♀️

For me, my car is cheap, convenient and a hell of a lot quicker than trying to use public transport. As I said upthread, I can get to my parents in 40 minutes by car - it’s four hours on public transport and costs about ten times as much. A taxi is a similar price as it’s well out of the company’s area.

Only a complete and utter fool would pick public transport over a car. And that’s hardly a rare scenario - especially if you’re transporting a family or multiple people, plus baggage etc.

Redpeach · 07/05/2025 11:06

Mokel · 07/05/2025 10:11

Want to carry 8 bags of shopping up a hill?

supermarket deliveries go right to your doorstep

Redpeach · 07/05/2025 11:04

faerietales · 07/05/2025 10:56

It’s not nonsense - cycling as a means of regular transport to/from school, work and shops is hugely impractical for the vast majority. It’s unsafe, you arrive sweaty and soaking, you can’t transport much with you and it’s generally slow and inconvenient.

Around here, for example, there are no cycle paths. Most streets aren’t well lit and it’s impossible to pass cyclist safely or even at all. It just causes chaos and is frankly unsafe as cyclists aren’t visible and don’t have a safe route to travel on.

You can cycle without soaking in sweat, and the more that cycle the safer it will be hir everyone

Kellywiththelegs · 07/05/2025 11:03

WitchesofPainswick · 07/05/2025 10:57

Totally agree with you OP. I think the idea of a '15 minute town' was excellent - but of course it was 'woke' for some reason. Although the same people complaining about that are the same ones who whine 'Why can't we go back to thaaaat?' every time someone posts a 1950s photo on the Facebook town group...

The suburbs where the majority of people live would still be full of cars, vans and bins even if there town was a fifteen minute one.

Redpeach · 07/05/2025 11:02

Badbadbunny · 07/05/2025 10:59

Only if you have shops within 3/4 of a mile of home. Lots of people don't anymore now that the vast majority of small/corner shops have closed down due to supermarkets etc.

Supermarkets that deliver

frozendaisy · 07/05/2025 11:02

that's why you make your house and back garden a pretty oasis of calm from the chaos out front

Redpeach · 07/05/2025 11:01

faerietales · 07/05/2025 08:58

Because cars are convenient.

Not convenient for the people they inconvenience

TokyoKyoto · 07/05/2025 11:01

I live in an area with houses with drives, so cars are less of a problem - it's a mixture of on-street and off-street and not too busy. But I completely agree about bins. I was thinking of getting some sort of 'bin house' and topping it with a flowerbed. But it's just one more thing to do in a busy life, so it hasn't been done.

Badbadbunny · 07/05/2025 10:59

MemorableTrenchcoat · 07/05/2025 08:58

Most people don’t “need” to drive 3/4 of a mile to shops etc, they could walk or cycle instead. Of course, they generally prefer not to.

Only if you have shops within 3/4 of a mile of home. Lots of people don't anymore now that the vast majority of small/corner shops have closed down due to supermarkets etc.

WitchesofPainswick · 07/05/2025 10:57

Totally agree with you OP. I think the idea of a '15 minute town' was excellent - but of course it was 'woke' for some reason. Although the same people complaining about that are the same ones who whine 'Why can't we go back to thaaaat?' every time someone posts a 1950s photo on the Facebook town group...

faerietales · 07/05/2025 10:56

MemorableTrenchcoat · 07/05/2025 10:47

What absolute nonsense. This is the sort of comment I expect to read on the Daily Mail website.

It’s not nonsense - cycling as a means of regular transport to/from school, work and shops is hugely impractical for the vast majority. It’s unsafe, you arrive sweaty and soaking, you can’t transport much with you and it’s generally slow and inconvenient.

Around here, for example, there are no cycle paths. Most streets aren’t well lit and it’s impossible to pass cyclist safely or even at all. It just causes chaos and is frankly unsafe as cyclists aren’t visible and don’t have a safe route to travel on.

faerietales · 07/05/2025 10:53

Pistachioitaliano · 07/05/2025 10:49

People should walk more, use public transport or local taxis. If you insist on having multiple cars live in a property with a double garage and/or hire a local garage nearby.

Where are all these utopias where every house has a drive away or access to a garage?

Funkyblues101 · 07/05/2025 10:50

Yes, of course. This is why lots of people move out to the countryside or to a larger house as soon as they can.
Hell is other people (and their stuff).

Pistachioitaliano · 07/05/2025 10:49

People should walk more, use public transport or local taxis. If you insist on having multiple cars live in a property with a double garage and/or hire a local garage nearby.

FateReset · 07/05/2025 10:48

We have 1 car but bought a 5-bed house with an extra driveway to the side. Second driveway is well designed but only fits a narrow car! Garage is too narrow to fit a modern car, it was built 40 years ago. We're planning to convert garage into a playroom at some point as it's mostly storage now.

I think life has changed so much since the 80s, eg adult children tend to live at home longer. Our neighbour has 3 adult children at home, so 5 cars (2 parked on road). It other bothers me if they have guests/boyfriends staying, as they often park opposite our driveway and block us from getting out! But neighbours are lovely and always tell their visitors to move the cars as soon as they notice.

Neighbours across the road are elderly with 2 adult children at home plus 1 who visits and leaves her car parked on street with their 3 other cars to do school run. It is unsightly but better than many areas.

We're walking distance from train station and shops, but most people can't get to work via train nowadays, unless they take daily taxis the other end, or can manage to connect journey with buses or walking. I used to walk to train station, take train 35mins then walk 30mins to work. It was exhausting! And creepy in dark as the route I walked was a short cut through a park.
I managed it for a year when first child was in nursery, but gave up once had second child.

MemorableTrenchcoat · 07/05/2025 10:47

Chiseltip · 07/05/2025 10:39

Exactly.

Cycling isn't a real mode of transport, It's a hobby.

At best it can take a person (slowly) a short distance, that's it. It isn't safe, convenient or practical. And the UK climate means that for the majority of the year it's just a stupid waste of everyone's time. Not to mention the entitlement of someone who thinks it's fine to dawdle along, holding up all the traffic, just because they want to play their hobby on a public road.

What absolute nonsense. This is the sort of comment I expect to read on the Daily Mail website.

Mokel · 07/05/2025 10:47

Also new builds builders don’t measure the size of cars. Even my parents’ place built in 2003, they can park their VW Golf in the garage but unable to open the door to get out of the car. That’s with nothing on the sides.

naomichristie · 07/05/2025 10:44

Imagine if we had sensible urban planing, adequate shops near to residential areas, sufficient public transportation. The country would look a lot different. I was on the radio talking about the area I grew up in and there was a lot about how reliant we are on cars and how that ended up happening. Take a listen if you're interested: www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m00291pq

Chiseltip · 07/05/2025 10:39

Mokel · 07/05/2025 10:11

Want to carry 8 bags of shopping up a hill?

Exactly.

Cycling isn't a real mode of transport, It's a hobby.

At best it can take a person (slowly) a short distance, that's it. It isn't safe, convenient or practical. And the UK climate means that for the majority of the year it's just a stupid waste of everyone's time. Not to mention the entitlement of someone who thinks it's fine to dawdle along, holding up all the traffic, just because they want to play their hobby on a public road.

MadisonAvenue · 07/05/2025 10:31

We live on a new build estate and thankfully on our street most houses have large drives. We do have neighbours who have a double garage and space for four cars on their drive but there are four cars (they have three adult children living there) and as they run a business from home there are also two transit sized work vans and a trailer. That’s before their daughters’ boyfriends stay over and need to park somewhere too.

KimberleyClark · 07/05/2025 10:26

wordywitch · 07/05/2025 08:57

I don’t understand why some families need so many cars if they live in an area easily accessible for public transport. In my former London suburb, 3 minute walk to the bus stop and 10 to a well connected train station, many of my neighbours had a car for each adult in the household, even when they weren’t driving to work daily.

My immediate neighbours were retired and had an adult daughter living at home who worked locally and yet they still had 3 cars. WHY?! We have always shared a car even when I was using mine for work every day. If my husband needed to go somewhere while I had the car he got public transport, walked or taxi.

We are retired (well DH still works a bit but at home) and still, have two cars. Both over 10 years old. We don’t really need two cars and will go down to one at some point but for now we’re keeping them. I know people who have regretted going down to one car after retirement. We did manage with one for about fifteen years when we were working.