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Council houses owning brand new cars?

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TheCluelessMum · 06/05/2025 20:52

I’m writing this post with the hopes of being educated, not slandered

however I completely appreciate I may be just completely shot down for asking this.

i live on a new build estate, 12 houses at the start of the estate are council houses. I don’t know this because I’m a snob, I know this because it’s clearly marked on plans when you buy those houses.

i see so much stuff online about how the UK benefits system is failing people, the higher rise of food banks. It’s absolutely abhorrent people are in this situation.

however, when entering my estate today I noticed that each and every single council house had a car newer that a 20 plate. Mercedes, Audi’s, BMW’s even range rovers.. there was not a single house out of the 12 which had an older than 20 plate car.

I am now confused as to why this is the case? Everyone I know (including those receiving benefits) continually speaks about how hard the cost of living is.

so could someone please answer how/why those in what we would presume lower income families, are able to afford such lavish cars.

OP posts:
XenoBitch · 08/05/2025 23:11

Freeasa · 08/05/2025 23:09

Thefasttraybake, blossomtoes, you are not paying the open market rent of the property you live in. If you are totally skint, fair enough. If you’re not, give up your property to someone who needs it more or pay full market value rent. Not doing either is immoral.

Who determines market rent? From what I see, private landlords charge what they like. Social housing rents are the more realistic ones and should be the norm.

And how do you offer to pay the "market rent" for your social housing? What facility is there to do this?

Freeasa · 08/05/2025 23:09

TheFastTraybake · 08/05/2025 16:03

At this point I think people are looking for attention. The evidence has been posted and they're still pretending they can't understand.

Thefasttraybake, blossomtoes, you are not paying the open market rent of the property you live in. If you are totally skint, fair enough. If you’re not, give up your property to someone who needs it more or pay full market value rent. Not doing either is immoral.

Robogob · 08/05/2025 22:40

I live in a council house and work full time. I gradually moved to the top of the list, which I’d been on for a number of years.

XenoBitch · 08/05/2025 22:40

Macaroni46 · 08/05/2025 22:36

I presumed spouses were joint tenants so no change of tenancy if one does. Why should it pass to the next generation though?

You can only pass on a tenancy to your adult children if they already live with you... I think (off the top of my head) it is they have to have been living with you for 5 years. I am free to be corrected it that is wrong. It probably varies between areas anyway.

Some adult children live with a parent because they are either a carer to their parent, or their parent is a carer to them.

Macaroni46 · 08/05/2025 22:36

XenoBitch · 08/05/2025 22:15

Passing on a tenancy is only once... and that would be from one spouse to the other, or a single parent to a child that lives with them. My parents are in a council house. If my dad dies, why should my mum be evicted? That makes no sense.

I don't think life time tenancies need to end. I think short term ones in the private sector need to end. People want to feel safe and secure in their housing.

I presumed spouses were joint tenants so no change of tenancy if one does. Why should it pass to the next generation though?

XenoBitch · 08/05/2025 22:15

Macaroni46 · 08/05/2025 22:09

In my opinion the life time tenancies need to end. Also the practice of passing on a tenancy.

Passing on a tenancy is only once... and that would be from one spouse to the other, or a single parent to a child that lives with them. My parents are in a council house. If my dad dies, why should my mum be evicted? That makes no sense.

I don't think life time tenancies need to end. I think short term ones in the private sector need to end. People want to feel safe and secure in their housing.

WildflowerConstellations · 08/05/2025 22:13

TheCluelessMum · 08/05/2025 22:09

No. I asked because I wasn’t sure, I personally didn’t think asking to be educated was a bad thing???
but no need to be rude x

Congratulations though OP, I think this is the first time on Mumsnet I've seen a passionate debate about retrofitting 😆

TheCluelessMum · 08/05/2025 22:09

Hufflemuff · 08/05/2025 06:38

If you're that uneducated about social housing then why post this, surely you realised you were going to be made to look like an ignorant idiot within the first 3 posts. Ffs.

No. I asked because I wasn’t sure, I personally didn’t think asking to be educated was a bad thing???
but no need to be rude x

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Macaroni46 · 08/05/2025 22:09

XenoBitch · 08/05/2025 19:31

Council houses have life time tenancies. They are not "starter" homes. If they were, people would get moved on.

In my opinion the life time tenancies need to end. Also the practice of passing on a tenancy.

vodkaredbullgirl · 08/05/2025 19:50

Been in my HA house for 23 years, can't afford a mortgage and it's too late now to start. My adult dds still live at home because they can't afford private rental.

ArminTamzerian · 08/05/2025 19:48

HamptonPlace · 08/05/2025 17:12

"Should someone who can easily afford private rent, and have a nice car, be forced out and made to get a mortgage?" emmmmm yes, that's the entire point. If you can afford it the system should be structured to allow a family in need to have a home? (the Q was never around having a car as such, in today's world pretty much essential (I know there are exceptions) but why they are allowed to, essentially, pay for them with their subsidised rent...)

What if they don't qualify for a mortgage?

ArminTamzerian · 08/05/2025 19:47

Newusername3kidss · 08/05/2025 19:01

Why aren’t you renting privately then? Genuinely confused. I’ve never “qualified” for a council property. I thought they were means tested and there for people who can’t afford private rents.

Because she has a council house. Why would she leave her home for insecure expensive unregulated private rental?

XenoBitch · 08/05/2025 19:31

Layla30 · 08/05/2025 19:14

Have always been of the belief that council houses were to help people starting out while they needed it.
Then, if and when you managed to get yourself to a position where you could afford a mortgage/own house then you move on.
It evidently isn’t that way at all but that is why there is a massive lack of local authority properties nowadays!
As an aside when my husband left the army we put our names down for a council house - that was 35 years ago and we still haven’t got one….

Council houses have life time tenancies. They are not "starter" homes. If they were, people would get moved on.

XenoBitch · 08/05/2025 19:28

HamptonPlace · 08/05/2025 17:12

"Should someone who can easily afford private rent, and have a nice car, be forced out and made to get a mortgage?" emmmmm yes, that's the entire point. If you can afford it the system should be structured to allow a family in need to have a home? (the Q was never around having a car as such, in today's world pretty much essential (I know there are exceptions) but why they are allowed to, essentially, pay for them with their subsidised rent...)

How can you force someone to get mortgage?

TheFastTraybake · 08/05/2025 19:28

Layla30 · 08/05/2025 19:14

Have always been of the belief that council houses were to help people starting out while they needed it.
Then, if and when you managed to get yourself to a position where you could afford a mortgage/own house then you move on.
It evidently isn’t that way at all but that is why there is a massive lack of local authority properties nowadays!
As an aside when my husband left the army we put our names down for a council house - that was 35 years ago and we still haven’t got one….

The reason why there's a massive shortage of council housing is, of course, because much of it was sold off and not replaced.

Flamingopingo · 08/05/2025 19:25

HamptonPlace · 07/05/2025 17:48

but why a BMW, not, say, a Volkswagen Golf (still quite a price car compared to others) ...

I honestly don't know why anyone would choose a BMW 😂 I guess the answer is that's the car they prefer? If its in their budget and that's what they want, why not?

Layla30 · 08/05/2025 19:14

Have always been of the belief that council houses were to help people starting out while they needed it.
Then, if and when you managed to get yourself to a position where you could afford a mortgage/own house then you move on.
It evidently isn’t that way at all but that is why there is a massive lack of local authority properties nowadays!
As an aside when my husband left the army we put our names down for a council house - that was 35 years ago and we still haven’t got one….

TheFastTraybake · 08/05/2025 19:02

HamptonPlace · 08/05/2025 18:59

Of course they’re allowed to have a car. But using their subsidy to rent an extravagant luxury car doesn’t seem to ethical to me… but it’s not their fault individually, of course, it’s the structure of the system…

👍

Newusername3kidss · 08/05/2025 19:01

YourElatedLimeShark · 06/05/2025 20:58

I live in a council house. And I work so hard on my own business. My kids have brand new iPhones. I have a gorgeous 67 plate fancy car and have another vehicle too. We eat amazing food. Eat out often. Have nice clothes. Designer sunglasses. I vape. I don’t drink. I go the gym and have a PT. My kids go to multiple clubs almost every day of the week. I have a 65 inch TV on my wall. I have well cared for pets.

May be these guys are the same? Not everyone in a council house is poor etc. many work. And work bloody hard.

Why aren’t you renting privately then? Genuinely confused. I’ve never “qualified” for a council property. I thought they were means tested and there for people who can’t afford private rents.

BIossomtoes · 08/05/2025 19:01

HamptonPlace · 08/05/2025 18:59

Of course they’re allowed to have a car. But using their subsidy to rent an extravagant luxury car doesn’t seem to ethical to me… but it’s not their fault individually, of course, it’s the structure of the system…

Their rents aren’t subsidised.

HamptonPlace · 08/05/2025 18:59

TheFastTraybake · 08/05/2025 16:32

Ok say people are evicted because of their car. What next? What other things are people in social housing not allowed to have because others think they're a lower class of being and wrap that up in a coat of faux concern?

Of course they’re allowed to have a car. But using their subsidy to rent an extravagant luxury car doesn’t seem to ethical to me… but it’s not their fault individually, of course, it’s the structure of the system…

HamptonPlace · 08/05/2025 18:56

HamptonPlace · 08/05/2025 18:55

How is it not subsidised if they are paying less than market rate?

Love the handle btw “would’ve taken right to that castle!”

HamptonPlace · 08/05/2025 18:55

TheWorminLabyrinth · 08/05/2025 18:05

Their rents aren't subsidised.

At this point it's clear you are on the wind-up, but the above bears repeating because too many people believe it to be true.

How is it not subsidised if they are paying less than market rate?

vodkaredbullgirl · 08/05/2025 18:54

HamptonPlace · 08/05/2025 18:41

Well you can choose whatever route you want, but not deny social housing to a family in need…

Ok whatever you say.

TheFastTraybake · 08/05/2025 18:44

BIossomtoes · 08/05/2025 18:41

At this rate it’s going to be every other post.

It's just someone being a bit silly now. Takes all sorts I guess.

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