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To wonder what Starmer was thinking with this one

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sideeyes · 06/05/2025 19:39

Indian nationals being cheaper to hire in the UK? Not paying NI contributions? What is the massive gain we get from this? As a life-long Labour voter this is just another policy that makes me want to cry. He just doesn’t get it, does he?

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CamillaMacauley · 07/05/2025 06:30

Keirawr · 07/05/2025 06:27

Keep going. Without people like you, Reform wouldn’t have half the success it does.

You sound like a racist reform voter to me. 🤷🏻‍♀️. Are you a Farage supporter. ?

CamillaMacauley · 07/05/2025 06:30

OldGothsFadeToGrey · 07/05/2025 06:25

It’s not me you have to convince. I’m part Indian 😂

it’s working class, out of work, looking for work voters (or anyone who wants to see jobs here go to people living here) who will see this as another reason to vote reform.

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Where as I see this as increasing job opportunities for the working class white people as well 👍🏻. Take Scunthorpe for example. Yes I know Tata are no longer there but when they were I’m sure some senior people there may have been Indian nationals but the people on the steelwork floor were uk nationals. Middle managers were uk nationals. Having these deals increases jobs.

to me the people who are against this are the Reform voters with an attitude of “keep the foreigners out”.

Keirawr · 07/05/2025 06:27

CamillaMacauley · 07/05/2025 06:21

What? I’m the polar opposite of a farage voting Brexit supporter. 😂😂😂.

id have thought that people who disagree with me on this issue are the Farage supporters

Keep going. Without people like you, Reform wouldn’t have half the success it does.

OldGothsFadeToGrey · 07/05/2025 06:25

CamillaMacauley · 07/05/2025 06:20

So what’s the alternative? They don’t do business over here and don’t employ anyone? Deals like this would hopefully prevent a reoccurrence of situations like when Tata steel pulled out of Scunthorpe. Thank God China stepped in because if it had closed down it would have been a disaster for Scunthorpe. The tories weren’t smart enough to negotiate a deal like this with Tata at the time.

It’s not me you have to convince. I’m part Indian 😂

it’s working class, out of work, looking for work voters (or anyone who wants to see jobs here go to people living here) who will see this as another reason to vote reform.

CamillaMacauley · 07/05/2025 06:21

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What? I’m the polar opposite of a farage voting Brexit supporter. 😂😂😂.

id have thought that people who disagree with me on this issue are the Farage supporters

CamillaMacauley · 07/05/2025 06:20

OldGothsFadeToGrey · 07/05/2025 06:16

Indian companies won’t have to pay employers NI in that time. To me, that looks like better financial sense for them to employ an Indian national rather than a British person. The optics aren’t very good.

Yes it’s about getting Indian companies to invest. Universal are building a new theme park that will create thousands of jobs in that area. It would be heavily criticised if it transpired that the jobs were potentially all going to American nationals who weren’t paying NI, and neither was Universal, for 3 years.

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So what’s the alternative? They don’t do business over here and don’t employ anyone? Deals like this would hopefully prevent a reoccurrence of situations like when Tata steel pulled out of Scunthorpe. Thank God China stepped in because if it had closed down it would have been a disaster for Scunthorpe. The tories weren’t smart enough to negotiate a deal like this with Tata at the time.

Keirawr · 07/05/2025 06:18

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Some people really are aren’t they? Just getting stirred up by the media and really trying to find fault with Labour at every opportunity.

OldGothsFadeToGrey · 07/05/2025 06:16

OnlyDespairRemains · 06/05/2025 19:49

As I understand it, it applies to Indian companies employing Indian nationals in the UK. It does not apply to UK companies employing Indians, so not actually nearly as big a deal as some are portraying it.

At least that’s my reading of it. Admittedly it is quite confusing.

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Indian companies won’t have to pay employers NI in that time. To me, that looks like better financial sense for them to employ an Indian national rather than a British person. The optics aren’t very good.

Yes it’s about getting Indian companies to invest. Universal are building a new theme park that will create thousands of jobs in that area. It would be heavily criticised if it transpired that the jobs were potentially all going to American nationals who weren’t paying NI, and neither was Universal, for 3 years.

RafaistheKingofClay · 07/05/2025 06:12

sideeyes · 06/05/2025 19:44

Yes but he has no idea how this plays to the audience. He just got a kicking from Reform. He has never had any idea how to do politics.

If the Tories had done this the media coverage would be presenting it very differently to the aidiebfe. And they most likely would have done this eventually when scrabbling around to get a deal. They’ve had to concede all sorts of rubbish to get most of the post Brexit deals over the line and it mostly didn’t make the front pages.

Labour can’t govern by just trying to see how it will play to the audience. It’ll be given the worst possible spin in the media anyway so they should just get on with it.

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TunnocksOrDeath · 07/05/2025 06:01

I work in the financial services sector and we have been having staff from our Indian offices over here on secondment for years, just as we have been sending staff to India for years. Same with the US, and a number of East Asian countries. The cross-skilling benefits us as a company, ensures a more diverse and sustainable corporate culture, and is good for the employees who want to take advantage of the opportunity. They are all highly educated, well paid professionals. Most of the Indian staff who come have MBAs in addition to their degrees If this deal simplifies their arrangements and means they aren't paying two loads of tax, and messing around with the NI that's great. I wouldn't want to lose a year of NI contributions on my pension record if I was posted overseas for a bit.
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CamillaMacauley · 07/05/2025 05:46

sideeyes · 06/05/2025 19:57

Exactly. Whatever the bones of the deal, he really is fucking clueless about how to play to the crowd. It’s essential.

Well I guess you can’t run the country to appease the uneducated masses who are incapable of critical thought and don’t look beyond a click bait headline.

twistyizzy · 07/05/2025 05:43

luckylavender · 06/05/2025 21:22

This is exactly the sort of deal we did Brexit for. Farage can't have it both ways.

I'm not saying it isn't. I'm saying the optics are poor at this moment

Zanatdy · 07/05/2025 05:42

sideeyes · 06/05/2025 19:57

Exactly. Whatever the bones of the deal, he really is fucking clueless about how to play to the crowd. It’s essential.

They will pay an IHS surcharge like everyone who comes to the UK on a visa.

CamillaMacauley · 07/05/2025 05:39

Dh worked for a us company in the uk for years. Then went and worked in the USA for them for a while. He paid no tax whatsoever to the us even when he lived there. I don’t think these sort of arrangements are uncommon.

2024onwardsandup · 07/05/2025 00:30

Correct me if I’m wrong - but I think that UK pensions are frozen if you move to a county not on that reciprocal list?

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 06/05/2025 23:26

I benefited from a very similar arrangement years ago, when I was living and working overseas. I carried on paying NI contributions in the UK and didn't have to pay the equivalent in my host country. If I had decided to stay there permanently, the arrangement would have ceased to apply.

Notonthestairs · 06/05/2025 23:22

A list of all the other countries we have reciprocal arrangements with -

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/reciprocal-agreements/reciprocal-agreements

noblegiraffe · 06/05/2025 23:20

kirbykirby · 06/05/2025 23:14

How many UK citizens work in India?

It will end up being like nuLabour saying 13,000 Polish workers would be coming to the UK in 2004 when Poland joined the EU, reality was almost one million came.

I mean it's not like we've got an ongoing housing crisis or anything...

It’s nothing like that. There’s no freedom of movement.

Simonjt · 06/05/2025 23:18

kirbykirby · 06/05/2025 23:14

How many UK citizens work in India?

It will end up being like nuLabour saying 13,000 Polish workers would be coming to the UK in 2004 when Poland joined the EU, reality was almost one million came.

I mean it's not like we've got an ongoing housing crisis or anything...

About 300,000 permanent citizens in India, however temporary workers are recorded differently. I have quite a few colleagues who did six month stints in India, they aren’t part of the yearly resident figure in the same was as they’re essentially extended guests.

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 06/05/2025 23:15

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 06/05/2025 23:10

That covers what exactly?

The bare minimum.

Young, healthy workers don't tend to use the NHS much. Many may not use it at all.

kirbykirby · 06/05/2025 23:14

2024onwardsandup · 06/05/2025 21:44

Because UK citizens will be doing the same thing when they work there

it’s for temporary visas isn’t it?

its entirely reasonable

How many UK citizens work in India?

It will end up being like nuLabour saying 13,000 Polish workers would be coming to the UK in 2004 when Poland joined the EU, reality was almost one million came.

I mean it's not like we've got an ongoing housing crisis or anything...

CamillaMacauley · 06/05/2025 23:13

Isn’t this like Rishi Sunak wife didn’t have to pay tax here because she was paying it in 8ndia? That was ok but suddenly because Starmer is involved it’s not? actually that was worse because she was here a lot longer than 3 years!

The whole deal has surely been done to encourage Indian firms to invest over here? And bring their staff on a temporary basis? So will be overall advantageous for the U.K. even without 3 years of not paying NI? I’d have thought its high level staff…..they’re not talking about allowing nmw type employees over here and them not paying NI i don’t think? Also, won’t they pay tax? It’s just NI they’ll be exempt from. So they will be contributing to this economy.

its more anti labour daily Mail bias headlines

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 06/05/2025 23:10

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 06/05/2025 23:01

Presumably they will be paying the NHS surcharge like all foreign nationals on work visas?

That covers what exactly?

The bare minimum.