To wonder what Starmer was thinking with this one

Was just about to post similar @Neemie . @CamillaMacauley, you've got the wrong end of the stick on @Keirawr's post. That poster was saying that your lefty opinions are off putting and just add fuel to the Reform fire.

FWIW, I am a left leaning voter who is more demographically 'Islington' but thinks we BADLY need to re-engage on the (former) Red Wall's issues and communicate effectively and respectfully about it.

(edited because it cleared the quoted post and my standalone made no sense out of context)

Would they be 'economists' like Rachel Reeves? Others are putting the potential benefit at a fraction of this. Yet another dismal Labour failure.

@HellsBalls i hope it doesn’t cost IT jobs. Maybe it will but the overall benefit to the economy will be worth it. So 5000 IT jobs lost but 10000 export jobs increased? Plus extra sales and manufacturing jobs? Obviously numbers are made up off the top of my head.

if for some reason it doesn’t work out then the deal can be rescinded in the future 🤷🏻‍♀️

But Starmer hasn’t made this deal up with no thought or on his own. Actual economists and experts will have been involved which is where the £4.8 billion economy benefit figure comes from.

I'm a foreigner here (spouse). I pay NI. I cannot access benefits or pensions here and I also pay a large, compulsory NHS surcharge just in case I were able to access the health system (hollow laugh).

Why exactly should foreigners like me pay NI? Why do you need us to subsidise your social systems that we cannot access?

It means the Indian outsourcing companies can offer cheaper people on projects to the UK companies. Cheaper Indians means they are more likely to get the work over UK resourcers or employing UK nationals internally.

We had to get a trade deal with India. It was obvious for years that Indian trajectory is up and ours will struggle to stay flat. We must be a partner with India as they literally are the future consumer, even more so now America has faltered and we had Brexit.
Whether this deal is the best one we could get is yet to be seen. It will cost IT jobs in the UK.

Are you actually a bot? I’ve seen you post this exact same phrase to someone else before as well as your previous repeated phrase. Or do you just have a limited vocabulary?

Hopefully you’re also following closely and possibly you might learn something if you engage your brain rather than just flinging out rude half baked insults 😁👍🏻

Interestingly, the deal appears to remove quite a few barriers to services firms being able to access India. Given the structure of our economy and the nature of eg auditing and accounting, you could then expect the number of longer secondments to India increase in line with other growing markets in large economies. Huge potential benefit.

What depresses me is that in 4 years time we will have a Reform government and it will be because of people who are unable to see anything outside their little world and who are happy to sling insults at anyone who disagrees with them.

And it won’t be me or you cracking open the champagne I’m
afraid, love. I will be Farage.

What difference does it make to "jobs here"?

It extends the period that an Indian firm will be exempt from NI for a seconded worker from an Indian company operating in the UK from one year to three years. What impact has the one year exemption had on UK jobs?

Meanwhile, "jobs here" - automotive, spirits, aerospace, machinery and medical manufacturing - have much greater access and competitiveness to sell in the world's fastest-growing large economy.

No, I actually find it interesting if people disagree with me if they are capable of engaging in intelligent and informed discussion and debate. It is the ignorance and prejudice which depresses me.

You misunderstood what they said. They didn’t mean you were a Reform voter. They were suggesting that calling people thick alienates them and encourages them to vote for Reform, therefore doing Farage’s job for him. No one would want to align themselves with some who holds them in contempt so you won’t win them over.

Whilst I agree with your first sentence, I think you've missed some critical information in the second. I don't know where you are, but where I am Reform just cleaned Labour's clock. Absolutely massive shift of solid Labour voters to Reform. These are not dyed in the wool right-wing racists. They are scared and betrayed working class people who have had their communities and families ground down for decades - and I am talking 40 years, so not just "austerity" - and who have finally snapped. It makes no sense at all - these are decent people, average people. Yes, as with many places they will have worries and concerns about immigration etc., and they might not always be "politically correct" in their views about the world, but they are not "Reform supporters". They are desperate people who have never voted Conservative or Lib Dem etc., who have placed their faith in Labour and repeatedly been kicked in the teeth. I am not even sure that many of them actually want Reform - but they are sure that they don't want this version of Labour, and they told Labour that in no uncertain terms. Labour isn't listening.

So you only like it when people agree with you?

The party line is the only true line.

No champagne for me. I have nothing to celebrate because I'm too depressed right now by the levels of ignorance and racism that I see in my fellow citizens.

If they come here either they will have private healthcare or they will pay the immigration health surcharge.
If their parents come on holiday they will need to have travel insurance.

So how are the visa rules going to be relaxed to allow in all of these extra Indian workers that can't come in under the current rules,, exactly?

Why’ thankyou. Glad you’re following so closely. You might learn something.

Having a husband, wife and two kids is adding to the NHS burden.
Indians often bring their retired parents over for up to 6 months to holiday/help with the kids, usually less time than this though. Old people statistically use more health services. They may be insured, they are still going to the NHS though.

As for the no more visas, let’s see what the statistics say in 4 years time.
The visa quota is unlimited. If they’d said a number like 100,000 or 200,000 maximum active visas at any one time, it could be made a lot more palatable than unlimited numbers.

We shall see.

A bit early for champagne for me, but maybe that’s what you need in the morning?

The thing is this is a deal that has been 3 years in the making. Keir has just signed it, but the legwork will all have been done by the conservative party.
So all this faux outrage is directed to the wrong place.

Crack open the champagne now, love. You're very clearly wrong because you don't have a clue what you're talking about.

Let’s see.

I’ll be happy to be proven wrong, but I doubt I will.

Just because middle class right wing mumsnet doesn't understand or know the details of the deal, doesn't mean Starmer is a bad politician.

Crikey if you think he's bad you must have had kittens when Johnson, Truss and Sunak were in charge .

They’ll still need a visa. This is not an open door policy. The existing (Tory) visa requirements remain.