To want Brexit be reversed

Not least because the Remain campaign was complacent and they never seriously believed that the electorate would be stupid enough to vote for something that would do the country so much damage. Tbh, if they had considered that to be a real possibility, i don't suppose we'd have ever had a referendum in the first place, but Cameron badly miscalculated.

I think he and others in the Remain campaign from all parties naively assumed that people would make rational decisions based on the evidence, and they failed to make a positive case in favour of Remain because it simply didn't occur to them that they needed to win people over at an emotional level. They also failed to do enough to challenge the lies put out by the Leave campaign because they assumed that people would see through them. They simply didn't do enough.

It's easier to manipulate feelings than it is to make people think and consider the facts.

Cameron's biggest mistake was believing the electorate would vote for what was best for them and the UK.🤷‍♀️

Because the Conservative Party made a scapegoat of it since we joined. And the RW press pushed that narrative for decades.🙄 Then, because it was an "advisory" vote, not a binding one, the campaign didn't have to adhere to truthful, verifiable statements.

It was a shabbily run, monumental disaster that Putin, Farage and Johnson used to their own gain.

Absolutely this is why we are all broke now and those “immigrants” the brexiters moaned about STILL HERE! we just MORE broke which is NONBRIEXTER TOLD YALL!!!

People were persuaded to believe that our membership of the EU was the source of their problems. That doesn't actually make it true that that EU was the source of their problems, it merely proves how very easy it is to manipulate people.

@MrsBennetsPoorNerves if it’s so easy to manipulate people, why didn’t the remaining campaign manipulate them into voting remain?

If you genuinely think that, then I suggest you watch this video. People were very cleverly manipulated even if they don't think they were. This is right from the horses mouth.

But WHY did people think it was down to the EU? Why did the Remainers and the EU fail to persuade people that being in the EU was a good thing?

If Brexit was that good, so many people wouldn’t be pissed off about being out of the EU. When life is shit, you need to accurately identify the cause, not just throw the shit about and then wonder why life is now just shittier and messier than ever.

If the EU was that good, so many people wouldn't be pissed off about being in it and Brexit would not have won the referendum.

For the same reasons they are so pissed off now and willing to believe lies. Strangely, Brexit didn’t fix any of the things they were pissed off about.🤷‍♀️

If the EU was so great, why were so many people pissed off about being in it and willing to believe "lies"?

Actually, I'm being unfair. Most Leave voters have learnt, it's just the Beleavers left.🙈

Yep. Repeat the lie was the No1 scummy tactic used by the Leave Campaign.

You'd think, given the evidence, that Brexiteers would have learnt that by now. But, No.🙄

And empty investment properties owned by overseas shell companies in vastly expensive cities like London? There’s a lot of murky international ownership of exceptionally valuable real estate and it all ensures the housing market remains unaffordable for people who need homes rather than wanting investments. It may be a feature of capitalism, but demonising those needing shelter so as to enable profitable investment by the wealthy to continue does highlight one of the flaws in the system.

So, you would assume that if you were an immigration officer, then? Or only from the safety of your keyboard, without having had to meet the people you are talking about?

Clearly you don’t try to understand the context of comments 🤣. I was laughing at the suggestion immediately before mine that we see how the UK is currently doing compared to France and Germany, whilst excluding any perceived consequences of the actions of the party currently in power. On that basis, I therefore jokingly suggested excluding everything else that has happened since Brexit to work out “how we are doing.” I mean, really - what on earth is the point in pretending we know how we’d be doing if we hadn’t had execrably bad leadership for the last decade or so? And in any event, a big part of the point of Brexit was to enable us to blame our own leaders for their astonishing mismanagement, rather than having a convenient EU bogeyman to blame, wasn’t it? So why exclude that mismanagement from any calculation of the effects of Brexit, when it is one of the main reasons for having Brexited (that we can now mismanage ourselves)?

There's a reason Brexit got more votes. This was one of them.

By persuaded, I meant that they were misled.

But perhaps I am mistaken and they were right all along. How wonderful to know that all of their problems are now resolved as a result of leaving the EU. Thank you for clarifying that we are all living in the sunlit uplands now.

What do you mean, persuaded? Do they not have eyes? Working class people who are working in trades did not see their wages drop, did not have their children's classes overfilled with non-native speakers from Eastern Europe? Did not see council houses filled with them? And child benefit payable to children in Eastern Europe who never set foot in the UK? Did not see health tourism from the new EU countries (I can't say obviously the same for non-former socialist block countries). Persuaded, my proverbial arse. People have eyes and brains.

Bravo

This

Where my relatives live, there has been a huge influx of poor East Europeans who, after a year or two or three doing minimum wages job (or, like the residents of Victoria Road, Glasgow, never having worked) now live in council housing on benefits. All legal - they were entitled to it because we were in the EU.

Even if Brexit did not work out the way people hoped, just the very fact that the remainder of Eastern Europe and their uncle won't be able to do the same - move here and demand to sponge off the state without having contributed is a massive win. Some of those East Europeans in minim wage jobs, living in social housing, having their 3 children in state schools, enjoying tax credits and free NHS, have the gall to say 'Oh, but I am paying taxes'. Truly a slap in the face of every Brit net contributor.

Are you saying that they are in fear of their lives so they clear off and leave their female family members and children. Let's face it the women and children are safe at home and will be sent for later when the paperwork is in place.

Of course immigration is not the only policy. No one is a bigger supporter of doubling and tripling council tax for second homes than me. I think second homes are selfish and hollow out communities and any legislation that reduces them is good with me.

That said there seems to be about 800,000 second homes on the UK. There are also around 700,000 derelict homes.

The scale of the numbers it is clear that we could give over all the second homes/derelict properties to new arrivals and in a few short years have none. What will the plan be then?

We need to get second homes back into use to relieve pressure on housing so that people/families already here can afford somewhere to live.

People weren't happy. That wasn't the EU's fault. That was our government's fault. Austerity was a stupid idea that set off a chain reaction.

We're out of the EU now and have been for five years. Do you think people are happier now than they were in 2015?