To want Brexit be reversed

In any society there’s a range of higher education which is fine, not everyone needs it to make society function. I find the ‘thick’ accusations off putting though on these threads. It seems unnecessary.

This is a mass generalisation based on zero evidence. But OK...

The fundamental flaw was that Brexit was not defined. How can you vote on an unknown? The referendum to join had two known options: one was the status quo (outside the EU) and one was about joining an established union (such as it was back then). The 2016 referendum pitted one known v one complete unknown. There are many leavers who argued that 'just leave' meant leave everything but that was not at all necessary or that simple. There were many ways to brexit, some much more damaging than others. It should have never been handled like a binary decision because it wasn't one. I really think it would have been more democratic to have either laid out the plans upfront, at the time of the referendum, for what Brexit would mean outside of the CU and SM and to get people to vote on that - or indeed to submit the final deal to a second referendum. As it was, we had the worst of both worlds. The people were 'consulted' through a marginally won referendum indicating a deeply divided opinion but had no say in the subsequent (and more important) direction of travel. I feel we were utterly manipulated and that has nothing to do with my personal thoughts on whether or not I think Brexit was a good idea in the long run. The whole process was botched.

All the post referendum analysis consistently showed a strong correlation between education level and voting patterns, with more educated people being far more likely to vote remain and less educated people being far more likely to vote leave.

Almost as if a little education teaches you not to believe everything you read on the side of a bus.

You might not like this, but that doesn't make it any less true.

I accept the referendum result. A thick person's vote is as good as mine. But it wasn't a good idea, and the actual aftermath of the referendum has proven the remainers right at every turn.

😂 YES, exactly what I said!!! 🤣

Would that be the more intelligent and younger people who were too stupid to get off their arses and vote?

@MissScarletInTheBallroom

"....yes, the decision made largely by older and less educated voters is permanently binding on the more intelligent and younger people who will have to live with it."

I think it's so funny that you actually believe this. 😂

I'm embarassed for you that you think younger people are automatically 'better educated' and more intelligent! (Than 'older' people!!!) 😂

You do know right, that people in the 'under 30' age group had the lowest turnout to vote in the EU referendum, than ANY other age group.

Doesn't sound like the actions of intelligent, well-educated people to me!

If 'the young' are not happy with the UK leaving the EU, they have only their complacency to blame. And, as many posters have said, name-calling/calling Leave voters thick, old, badly-educated bigots just makes people look very bitter, not very well educated, and generally, really bad losers! 😬

Well what would the alternative be? Staying in the EU forever despite people wanting out? Because people might change their mind later?

We can't go back into the EU because we will never satisfy the criteria for rejoining.

So yes, the decision made largely by older and less educated voters is permanently binding on the more intelligent and younger people who will have to live with it.

All the LOLz. 😂 Leavers have DENIED the Remainers the 'right' to vote to go back into in the EU? There was a referendum and the majority of the country voted to leave dear.... No-one has 'denied' anyone anything!

And what if we had another EU referendum, and LEAVE won again?

Best of 5?! 😂

Are you involved in some way?

I was in two minds about the 2016 referendum. I voted to join a trade deal in 1975, and I was happy to continue that. When the notion of political and fiscal union were mooted in 1992 I thought there should have been a deliberate opt in, and there wasn't. I wasn't thrilled with the expansion into Eastern Europe, and the arrival of mass cheap labour definitely destabilised the UK's economy. But I would also concede the EU has achieved some really superb civil engineering projects in Spain and Portugal. Frankly, I still haven't decided whether it was a good decision or a bad one, and I asked my DC17 to choose my vote on the day.

What do you mean, young people will be given the right to travel freely.

Until what age?

I have decided to be magnanimous and put you all out of your misery.

Despire being a brexiteer, I can see the torment this clearly causes some people. So it might be worth knowing that a ‘deal’ is under way. Soon to be officially announced.

Young people will be given the right to study and travel freely, that has been agreed and additionally there appears to be what is being called a soft landing zone for a mutual trade agreement that will be considerably softer than the one we currently have.

It’s not going to include freedom of movement.

I don’t know if that will be enough for some of you that are very extreme. Those that already know about this, will say it is x,y and z and complain anyway. What it appears to be is a compromise.

It was an important consideration. Not to be a member of the club where such practices are abundant. Not to mention the whole mentality of it being a moral duty to 'cheat the state', be it a socialist state or a new adopted state - UK.

We would be a net contributor though, which they desperately need. There might not be an easy mechanism, but where there's a will there's a way...

I can't personally see us rejoining, but I hope we could renegotiate a better deal through the reset. Not sure I trust Starmer not to give away too much tho

Ukraine before 2030 is that doable as said by U vd L and pretty quick considering?

It takes the EU years to make decisions. Even if the UK wanted to go back in, the EU would not process the decision for at least 25 years.

Exactly that, you have stated it very well - plus we were warned about this at the time. There is no literal mechanism.

I don't see any way it can legally be done though.

In order to change the decision making process for approving the accession of new member countries they'd have to change the treaty, which would require...a referendum in several countries.

You're assuming that the EU will stick to their rules - which they don't

Of course your kid can study languages and have a year abroad. Most UK universities do this.

Nobody can say that we would be allowed back in.

It would be subject to a referendum in at least four countries for a start. It's not up to Brussels bureaucrats, it's up to ordinary voters in countries like France and Ireland.

You are literally making stuff up, it's common knowledge that the micro targeting happened with Brexit and US elections - Trump round 1, we were already in the EU so the those campaigning to Remain took it for granted that people knew the benefits. In hindsight, that was obviously a reckless position to take.

I don’t think that’s the main barrier, it has been said we would be. The main problem I reckon is stuff like adopting the Euro.