To want Brexit be reversed

As I have suggested many times before to those who claim it is a disaster, come back and revisit the subject five or ten years from now. The economy of many Countries was ruined due to Covid. I can't tell the future any more than anybody else. But I do suspect the UK will be in a better place than our European neighbours over time because of brexit.

Sigh.
Brexit feels like a painting by an unmentionable Australian- 'can you tell what it is yet'.

It's been and wil continue to be a distraction. Historically, it will probably be labelled ' the lost decades'.

Sigh.
Brexit feels like a painting by an unmentionable Australian- 'can you tell what it is yet'.

It's been and wil continue to be a distraction. Historically, it will probably be labelled ' the lost decades'.

Many years later, we are all living the results of the referendum. Surely that makes your toes curl?

My take away from this thread, isn't remainers insulting anyone. It is the belligerent who couldn't care less about their country. It is willfully ignorant folk doubling down on a fuck you that has no real destination.

It was the economic risks that mostly made me vote remain, together with a sense of ‘Europeanness’: I have family connections to France.

But I can understand why others didn’t feel that way. And I do respect the sovereignty argument. The German courts have made clear that acts of the EU that breach the German constitution are unlawful there. If the UK had set out constitutional red lines - via Acts, since we don’t have a fully written constitution - I think we’d still be in.

It does also make my toes curl when the remain opinion is expressed as being clever and educated and leavers as the great, thick unwashed. That view has broken out on this thread.

It was an act of national self harm that can't be referenced elsewhere. No other nation in history actively chose to impose economic sanctions on itself.

To deny it at this point is just depressing.

The facts and stats prove what a mistake it was.

I say this as an EU resident with children who have EU citizenship. I am sad about what has happened to my country and the mindset of too many of her citizens.

History will write about the criminality of this referendum

No it won't.

I am sure that in my lifetime, we will go back.

No we won't.

But, as a nation, we fucked up.

No we didn't.

HTH.

Surely that depends on various factors. Where you live in either country for example, the job someone has.

Actually it depends on all of the state provisions that makes life civilised and provides greater equality, such as; subsidised public transport, maintenance of public spaces, libraries, proper social care, good health care provided through non-profit obligatory health insurance including services like at home palliative care, subsidised post-natal physio sessions, and of course, free education, including free university provision where tuition is paid for.

France is a large country so obviously there will be greater provision of these services in towns rather than rural areas but I think most people would agree that farming is fairly lucrative in France, they have a strong lobbying dialogue with the French government, and that they are obsessive about their food products.

Democracy includes the right to change your mind.
Unfortunately leave voters have denied the rest of us that right because we'll never be allowed back in now.

this is correct

however I would point out that a lack of higher education does not equal a lack in intelligence

@Walkaround · Today 18:58

Brexit was an act of violence towards the EU.

Just when I thought I'd seen it all on here!

Seriously, give your head a wobble!

I'm out. I can't continue to 'debate' with some remainers. I'm speechless at that remark, ^ and shaking my head at some of the other comments.

Enjoy your evening! I'm off out for an evening walk!

It was an act of national self harm that can't be referenced elsewhere. No other nation in history actively chose to impose economic sanctions on itself.

To deny it at this point is just depressing.

The facts and stats prove what a mistake it was.

I say this as an EU resident with children who have EU citizenship. I am sad about what has happened to my country and the mindset of too many of her citizens.

Love your certainty, harping on and complaining... 🙄

But, as a nation, we fucked up.

I am sure that in my lifetime, we will go back.

History will write about the criminality of this referendum.

It was an act of national self harm that can't be referenced elsewhere. No other nation in history actively chose to impose economic sanctions on itself.

To deny it at this point is just depressing.

The facts and stats prove what a mistake it was.

I say this as an EU resident with children who have EU citizenship. I am sad about what has happened to my country and the mindset of too many of her citizens.

Well chosen and carefully considered, imvho, because of the way it was done. It didn’t have to be, but it very much was an act of violence.

I was against leaving.

I just take a more moderate path about the whole thing. “Act of Violence” are not thoughtful or well-chosen words.

Brexit was an act of violence towards the EU. It weakened both the EU and the UK at an economically and politically bad time. It wasted huge amounts of time in its negotiation and took attention away from more important concerns (eg Russia). Collective eyes were taken off the ball and it damaged the UK’s global reputation. UK negotiators were particularly crap and came across as playing for an audience, not even trying to get any kind of a sensible deal and instead favouring spouting on about blue passports, fish, and non-existent oven-ready deals. The UK never showed any signs of even trying to be civilised in the negotiation process, any more than the Government behaved in a civilised fashion at home. The entire era was characterised by boorish behaviour, childish jibes, and corrosive, corrupt politicians.

You're joking aren't you? The EU would welcome back our £350 million a week in a heartbeat. We won't go back though, ever. So it's time to stop daydreaming about that....

It's been 9 years since the referendum and 5 and a half years since we left the EU. The 'remainers' really need to get over themselves, and stop dwelling on something that is NEVER going to happen. We are not going back into the EU.

We've left ages ago now. Time to stop complaining, accept it, get over it, and move on. People still carping on about it are sounding ridiculous now, and frankly, it's boring. Also, whether the UK 'moving to the right a lot more now' is a bad thing is a matter of opinion.

There’s nothing in it to approach this as goodies and baddies. That letter, though, seems pretty clear that leaving the EU was considered a ‘wrong’, not a choice but a mischief. It may be couched in diplomatic euphemism but it’s pretty obvious that Macron wanted the UK to have as little EU cooperation as could be managed, and to make a point. Compromise was obviously not a priority. “Proportionate” is a terrible weasel word.

But, as I said, this isn’t a villain v hero story. It’s the real world. We shouldn’t damn the Commission or EU members either, for looking out for themselves. I just wish the EU had been more sorrow and less anger.

You're joking aren't you? The EU would welcome back our £350 million a week in a heartbeat. We won't go back though, ever. So it's time to stop daydreaming about that....

It's been 9 years since the referendum and 5 and a half years since we left the EU. The 'remainers' really need to get over themselves, and stop dwelling on something that is NEVER going to happen. We are not going back into the EU.

We've left ages ago now. Time to stop complaining, accept it, get over it, and move on. People still carping on about it are sounding ridiculous now, and frankly, it's boring. Also, whether the UK 'moving to the right a lot more now' is a bad thing is a matter of opinion.

But saying "project fear" when people point out the obvious and predictable downsides to Brexit and voting for it anyway does. And then claiming that the only reason it didn't turn out swimmingly was because remoaners tried to sabotage it.

You're joking aren't you? The EU would welcome back our £350 million a week in a heartbeat. We won't go back though, ever. So it's time to stop daydreaming about that....

It's been 9 years since the referendum and 5 and a half years since we left the EU. The 'remainers' really need to get over themselves, and stop dwelling on something that is NEVER going to happen. We are not going back into the EU.

We've left ages ago now. Time to stop complaining, accept it, get over it, and move on. People still carping on about it are sounding ridiculous now, and frankly, it's boring. Also, whether the UK 'moving to the right a lot more now' is a bad thing is a matter of opinion.

I voted to remain, so i would absolutely love it if Brexit could be reversed. The UK has burned a lot of bridges and I would be surprised if Britain was welcomed back. The UK seems to be leaning quite a lot more to the right than I've seen in my adult years, it's depressing.