To want Brexit be reversed

That sounds like the very definition of stupid.

Turkeys voting for Christmas just to make a fucking point.

YANBU

The thing is, 50% of "the people" have below average intelligence.

Ten years ago Nigel Farage was telling everyone that Brexit would mean no more immigration, £350m a week for the NHS and sunlit uplands.

None of the benefits he promised have materialised and instead we have rampant inflation whilst wages have more or less continued to stagnate.

If you look back over the last decade and you think that continuing to put your faith in Nigel Farage is the sensible thing to do, there really is no hope for you.

Wage increases, a pretty big one

Wow your the exact reason people are voting reform so take a look in the mirror.

So people are voting for a party that don't care for or support simply because others are calling them stupid? 🤔

I don’t think those statements follow.

Over what period should we expect there to be visible benefits, and if there is no period of time which is too long, then isn’t it better to say, actually it’s irrelevant to me whether I and my descendants are poorer, forever.

It also really doesn’t follow that it was better to Brexit 9 year ago, when the EU might break up in the future. Again, wouldn’t it be better for UK citizens to have the benefits of membership until it breaks up? And after what period of time do you accept that reports of it’s break up are premature?

She needs to look at the Turning scheme.

To be honest it is posts like this that are part of the reason we got the Brexit conversation so wrong.

Lots of 'what about my year abroad ' and no willingness to talk about the impact on agricultural jobs, how the ready supply of workers enabled employers to demand things like '20 hours a week any time between 7am and 9pm', school classes which now include 13 different languages. These are the issues which affected those who can't just move or get a different job.

I don't think Brexit was the answer but we seem too willing to just dismiss issues people are facing as not relevant and focus only on those affecting the middle classes.

And as Reform shows, we are not learning.

That's just not true. Half of the members are way more gender critical than UK. Poland and Hungary spring to mind, but you can add on plenty of other countries. There is plenty of significant opposition to the EU social and so called progressive projects within its member States. The only time there has been votes on a EU constitution it has been defeated, including by Denmark. They stopoed countries voting on it after the Danish vote. Ireland has rejected a number of EU treaties as the only Country that legally has to put them to a popular vote. There are serious issues with the legal basis of governance of the EU and its political and military agenda beyond its legal competency and a huge democratic deficit, which it recognises its self. It also creates very significant regulatory barriers to trade with non members which is where all the paper work comes from for the UK now. So the leave argument might be simplistic around freedom of movement, but the rejoin might be simplistic around being able to study and work in member States and economic prosperity.

He was so unbelievably complacent. I shall never forgive him.

Wow your the exact reason people are voting reform so take a look in the mirror.

And what’s going to happen as the last of the boomers, born in 1964, are approaching retirement and the population figures fall off a cliff? Presumably we will be grateful for plenty of immigrants then.

A think you're a bit late to the party.

Thanks David Cameron, thanks a fucking bunch.

@Ablondiebutagoody so what do you think immigration numbers should look like?

We can't reverse Brexit. We had a great deal with the EU that we can't get back. We would probably be able to rejoin, but not on the terms we had. Everything that supporters of the EU said would happen has happened. It was a classic 'both feet, both barrels' moment for the UK. Brexit voters were taken in by Johnson's lies (he admitted that most of what he'd said about the EU as a journalist and as a politician was lies) and Farage's. Many had no idea how far-reaching and permanent the consequences would be. It was outrageous and undemocratic that we were taken out via a hard Brexit when the vote was so close.

It was like watching a train going off the rails, one that could easily have been stopped, but no one did it.

Absolutely not having proper political autonomy is worth more than anything
Op look at the collective response to Russia!
They are too large and bloated to organise anything and corrupt

Where there is a will there is a way people managed to work and travel and do all sorts in Europe before they shimmied in closer ties.

The polling shows that people think the implementation of Brexit didn't cure the problem. Which is reasonable considering immigration doubled under Boris Johnson

List those benefits, shouldn't be difficult to do

Would your DC consider a Scottish uni? DC is at one with a lot of English students. Has been told by many it’s because it’s easier to study abroad in the 3rd year regardless of subject. Is often possible to start skip the first year of the degree course so doesn’t necessarily have to take longer.

I would love to know what those forthcoming benefits are please?

And what favourable trade deals has the UK done since 2016 that are an improvement on what we had in place before?

We never recovered from the 08 crash which has done far more damage to wages.

In what way?

So Brexit didn't in fact fix the problem, did it?

Nope. Immigration has doubled since. Hence Reform. It seems from this thread that you really need to live in these places to understand the mindset

It was clear from the outset that Brexit would be damaging for the country but idiots voted for it anyway. No going back now and we all suffer for it.

Please name at least one benefit to Brexit that we already have. I’d also be interested if you could outline the benefits of Brexit that you believe will come down the line.