Page 27 | To want Brexit be reversed

MumWifeOther · 05/05/2025 12:34

BeKookySheep · 05/05/2025 10:59

I don’t normally post about politics, but this has been playing on my mind for a while. I wasn’t super political before the referendum — just a mum trying to do her best for her family. But now, years later, I really feel like Brexit hasn’t delivered what we were promised. And I think we should seriously start talking about reversing it.

My eldest is 16, really bright, and had dreams of studying languages and maybe doing a year abroad. We looked into Erasmus a while ago, but that’s gone now. And the cost and hassle of studying or working in Europe is so much higher now. She asked me, “Why is it so much harder for us than it was for you, Mum?” And honestly, I didn’t know what to say. It hit me hard.

Everything’s more expensive — our food shop has gone up loads, and don’t even get me started on getting certain things for school packed lunches! Little things, but they add up. My brother runs a small business and he's drowning in paperwork just to send stuff to Ireland. And a friend of mine left the NHS because she felt so overstretched — they can’t recruit enough staff anymore, especially from Europe.

Brexit hasn’t made anything better. It’s just made life harder in so many small but important ways. And if something clearly isn’t working — and is limiting our children’s futures — why shouldn’t we talk about changing it?

We tell our kids it’s okay to admit when something’s not right and make it better. Maybe it’s time we took our own advice.

Would love to hear if others are feeling the same. Has Brexit made life harder for your family too?

What did you vote out of interest?

Ablondiebutagoody · 05/05/2025 12:34

Azdcgbjml · 05/05/2025 12:26

You understand that immigration has increased and not decreased since Brexit?

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Everybody understands that. It's why the Tories just got hammered by Reform and why Labour MP's are getting twitchy.

Charlize43 · 05/05/2025 12:34

It was a really short sighted thing to do.

I'm of French heritage and my French friends are all overjoyed with the way the boats are now arriving in the UK and are now no longer bottle necked in the camps at Calais. As the UK is no longer part of Europe, they feel it is no longer of their concern. My Italian friend feels the same way as she says the immigrants entering Italy are just on their way to the UK.

I'm not against immigration but I do think they had greater control and say when they were part of Europe... Now we have the housing crisis as all these people need to be housed and more are coming.

StMarie4me · 05/05/2025 12:34

How did you vote OP?
As I and everyone I know voted to remain. We joined the Common Market in the 1970s. It was madness to think we could stand better alone.
At the time, I said that the school bully was thumbing its nose at us (Russia, in the wake of the Salisbury Novichok poisonings) and we were waking away from our friendship group.
Imagine how we’ve all been feeling for years now?
But Farage continues with his lies, and people lap him up.
He is mini Trump, and as a Nation, we are sleepwalking towards disaster. Makes me so sad for my granddaughters.

plateofdoom · 05/05/2025 12:33

I know how you feel. I want the 2024 election to be reversed and Labour to be booted out. Such is life...

blindblinds · 05/05/2025 12:32

@Keirawr go on then, explain why our distorted housing market is only a result of supply and demand?

Whilst you are at it explain why privatisation of higher energy companies hasn't led to higher costs.

Whippetlovely · 05/05/2025 12:32

Lnew · 05/05/2025 12:01

I don’t agree with this - my DH voted remain and has always voted Lib Dem - has never voted for any other party in 30 years of voting. He was very unhappy when the Brexit referendum happened and still very unhappy with the results of it.

He hates Lab and Con. However, in all the years he’s voted Lib Dem, his vote has never been in a place where they’ve got a seat - so votes all feel wasted. What does that leave? Farage. DH is in no way far right or racist, politics are central. But he is considering Farage.

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I've always wondered why lib dems have not capitalised more. People are so disillusioned with Labour and conservatives you would think they would be winning much more votes considering there are a lot of lefties. Is it due to upsetting students over the u turn on free uni fees? For another thread maybe.

Keepingthingsinteresting · 05/05/2025 12:31

ClareBlue · 05/05/2025 12:15

Stop referring to the political union of the EU as Europe. That's the propaganda that EU leaders spout to make the Union seem like all encompassing. It's not, and insulting to the rest of Europe. Don't abcuse people of being stupid and show your self to be ignorant in the same sentence.

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It is the vast majority of Europe, but yes let’s focus on the really important things, got anything to say there?

Langdale3 · 05/05/2025 12:30

I would say it hasn’t worked for the top 5% of earners either.

Business owners have found that their costs have gone up. Red tape up. The long awaited trade deals in our favour haven’t arrived, and some have actively harmed our competitiveness. Struggling more to access skilled labour and investment. I am tired of trying to make life better by creating good quality jobs and facilities. I am winding things up to retire early.

Keepingthingsinteresting · 05/05/2025 12:30

Keirawr · 05/05/2025 12:11

Oh dear. Learnt nothing from the experience then? Calling voters stupid. Hope you’re ready for Reform.

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But they are, or they claim wouldnt be voting for those dickheads. Trying to kindly explain things didn’t work so perhaps shocking them with the results of their own decisions willl…. I don’t see what other options are left, except taking away their vote which as angry as I am can see that isn’t going to work (though starting to feel like a good idea).

I also blame cowardly David fucking Cameron, if he’d had the balls to stick with representative democracy rather than allowing a referendum on an issue far too complex for most people to understand then flouncing off when he realised it had backfired we wouldn’t be in this mess. Hope he’s happy with how history will judge him.

Azdcgbjml · 05/05/2025 12:29

Lookjaz · 05/05/2025 11:56

Brexit was not done as it should have been due to the remainders blocking everything and not helping together it done in a timely manner. Their refusal to accept the result gave the EU added power to give the UK a bad outcome

The Brexit deal we got was the one Boris negotiated. Since when was he a Remainer? How did the Remainers who had no power at the time block anything?

Feelingmuchbetter · 05/05/2025 12:29

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Itseatingmeup · 05/05/2025 12:27

The loss of freedom of movement is what upsets me. Retiring abroad is now only for the rich. Young people living and working abroad is much more restricted now. I feel we've massively let them down.

Dangermoo · 05/05/2025 12:27

blindblinds · 05/05/2025 12:26

Many posters here really aren't trying hard enough to show that they are not misinformed, gullible, narrow minded, ignorant, etc 😆

No, we are letting you show us how it's done.

Genevieva · 05/05/2025 12:27

Our government could have delivered Brexit and kept free movement of people. It was their choice not to and it’s so central to the European project that it shut off other opportunities too. I don’t think it was the hill to die on, but it’s the one they chose.

blindblinds · 05/05/2025 12:26

Many posters here really aren't trying hard enough to show that they are not misinformed, gullible, narrow minded, ignorant, etc 😆

PermanentTemporary · 05/05/2025 12:26

There's minimal public UK appetite to rejoin the EU - what about the surge in support for Reform makes anyone think that there is?

And the EU as a whole would make welcoming noises but would take years to finalise a deal with us that would look nothing like the 'jam today and jam tomorrow' deal that we had and pissed down the wind. They'd want to take their time to be sure that we wouldn't just stomp off again.

I'm about as Remain as can be, mainly because of the European wars i believe it prevents, but I'm not that eager to join the euro, and if I don't want to, you can bet a majority don't.

A chunk of Leave voters I believe were motivated primarily by wanting to see upward pressure on wages. That has definitely happened, so it's a bit daft to think that nothing people want came with Brexit. It's just that - surprise! - we now have much more inflation as well, so in general unless you have unusually low outgoings, you don't feel better off.

Azdcgbjml · 05/05/2025 12:26

Whippetlovely · 05/05/2025 11:56

You've hit the nail on the head, middle class belittling the working class as usual. Sorry Matilda can't study abroad but the majority of us have real world problems. It's a nice idea to welcome mass migration but it puts a strain on schools, NHS and housing but these issues they don't have to worry about they can probably pay private and send thier kids to nice schools. They think it's lovely migrants come over and work in care because it's beneath them to do such jobs (patronising or what). Mass migration keeps wages down, construction pay has increased a lot since brexit, money in the pockets of hard working people. I don't know anyone that regrets voting to leave.

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You understand that immigration has increased and not decreased since Brexit?

TooBigForMyBoots · 05/05/2025 12:25

SilviaSnuffleBum · 05/05/2025 12:20

Ah, Brexit.
The referendum that was not actually legally binding, contrary to what most of the ill informed electorate believed.
Fucking lemmings blindly accepting whatever was fed to them by the politically biased media.
It was less a case of 'The people have spoken' and more a 'The people have played right into the hands of the Government'.

Yeah, the government in the Kremlin.

Russia invested a lot in the Leave Campaign. Wonder why?🤔

Keirawr · 05/05/2025 12:24

blindblinds · 05/05/2025 12:23

If you understood anything about anything you would know that supply and demand determines pricing, even for housing - shock horror.

Why do you think I'm unaware supply and demand isn't important? It isn't everything though but if you can't understand that 🤷🏻‍♀️

I don't even understand the rest of your ranting.

You don’t understand basics like supply and demand. It’s clear.

OonaStubbs · 05/05/2025 12:24

SilviaSnuffleBum · 05/05/2025 12:20

Ah, Brexit.
The referendum that was not actually legally binding, contrary to what most of the ill informed electorate believed.
Fucking lemmings blindly accepting whatever was fed to them by the politically biased media.
It was less a case of 'The people have spoken' and more a 'The people have played right into the hands of the Government'.

How could people play right into the hands of the government when the government put out leaflets encouraging people to vote Remain, the PM was an ardent remainer who resigned after Brexit won? Most of the media was pro-remain.

Keirawr · 05/05/2025 12:23

TooBigForMyBoots · 05/05/2025 12:21

Seriously? Your vote is based on whether or not a random on the internet called you "stupid"?🤯

Can you not see how stupid that is? How easily manipulated it makes you?🤦‍♀️

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Enjoy a Reform government. You will soon have one, you’re going exactly the right way about it.

blindblinds · 05/05/2025 12:23

If you understood anything about anything you would know that supply and demand determines pricing, even for housing - shock horror.

Why do you think I'm unaware supply and demand isn't important? It isn't everything though but if you can't understand that 🤷🏻‍♀️

I don't even understand the rest of your ranting.

Azdcgbjml · 05/05/2025 12:22

Swiftie1878 · 05/05/2025 11:43

I said they are to unfold. They have started to unfold, but we aren’t anywhere near full benefits yet.
We’ve stopped paying money to the EU - given the state of the public purse at the moment, that’s a huge gain.
We can now control our own taxes - VAT on private school fees, and removing VAT on sanitary products would not have been allowed had we been in the EU.
We have stopped free movement of people - the immigration crisis across Europe would be far worse for us without this door closed.
We are deep in trade agreement negotiations with a number of countries, including the U.S., (which will protect us from the tumult of Trump’s tariff whims). Our non-EU membership has already kept our tariffs lower than those being put on EU goods and services.

There are more to come, and we won’t fully know what Brexit Britain looks like for some time due to other world events.
And Brexit was democratically decided upon.
It is unreasonable to revisit such a major decision so soon.

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Tell that to Nigel:
The question of a second referendum was raised by Mr Farage in an interview with the Mirror in which he said: "In a 52-48 referendum this would be unfinished business by a long way. If the Remain campaign win two-thirds to one-third that ends it."

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36306681.amp

...the working assumption of the Office for Budget Responsibility (OBR), external, the government's independent official forecaster, is still that Brexit in the long-term will reduce exports and imports of goods and services by 15% relative to otherwise. It has held this view since 2016, including under the previous Government.

And the OBR's other working assumption is that the fall in trade relative to otherwise will reduce the long-term size of the UK economy by around 4% relative to otherwise, equivalent to roughly £100bn in today's money.

TooBigForMyBoots · 05/05/2025 12:21

Keirawr · 05/05/2025 12:10

I see that the progressives and enlightened are out in force calling Brexit voters stupid and idiots. Did you smart people notice that Reform had massive electoral success just a few days ago.

Do you ever learn?

Are you prepared to laugh on the other side of your face when Reform holds the balance of power in parliament? Because that’s what happens when you keep calling the electorate stupid. The joke always ends up being on you, yet you never learn.

Seriously? Your vote is based on whether or not a random on the internet called you "stupid"?🤯

Can you not see how stupid that is? How easily manipulated it makes you?🤦‍♀️