To want Brexit be reversed

All the lies were exposed at the time. Anyone who voted to leave when all the evidence made it quite clear that this would be the outcome who now regret it are so lacking in basic intelligence I have no interest in what they now think

it was very obvious to this of us who voted to remain.

play stupid games. Win stupid prizes. This is why democracy is flawed. Some people are too stupid to be allowed to vote

Not true at all. There were massive subsidies from the EU for deprived areas. Farmers were supported by EU subsidies. The fishing industry has been decimated by Brexit.

@BeKookySheep Never gonna happen. If there was another Brexit referendum tomorrow, LEAVE would win again. Surely you can tell that, with the fierce amount of support for REFORM?!

We've left the EU, quite a long time ago now. Time to move on I'm afraid, and accept that we are not going back into it.

You forgot the Welsh fuckwits who were also more inclined to vote Leave.

I think it would be in the interests of both the UK and the EU if we rejoined but I am ot not sure whether the political willingness is there on both sides

@atotalshambles do you think there should be a referendum to decide whether we rejoin or not (provided the EU would have us back)?

If you really think rejoining is going to make things better you are incredibly naive. A lot has happened since Brexit. And I can assume you we certainly would not be able to rejoin on previous terms, will be penalised as far as they n to make sure no one else leaves, have to have the euro etc etc

There is so much out there that just the EU

What do Brexiteer's excuses matter? We are not better off for it. They believed lies. They sacrificed our wellbeing for some ethereal notion of "sovereignty".

Their vote damaged this country for all of us and our children. Particularly poorer sections of society and poorer children.

Or to put it another way:

Just suppose your close friend has this great idea whereby you pay her £20 every week to be her friend. In return, she buys you a glass of wine every week, but she decides which pub you go to, and which type of wine you are going to have.

Then with the remainder of the £20 she asks 3 others in the pub if they would like a free glass of wine, and as a result becomes very popular. She then tells them they can all go to your house and help themselves to any wine they can find there.

Any money remaining she gives to a beggar on the street on the condition that they do nothing whatsoever.

This was our relationship with the EU.

I voted remain, but have witnessed from European friends a kind of glee that we are up shit's creek. Call it schadenfreude, if you like. I'm not sure they'd have us back.

I do think those responsible for the Brexit bus and misinformation should be in prison. But there seems to be no accountability in politics.

Good, strong leaders unite people, however hard things are for individuals, good leaders manage to bring people together and make people believe we can achieve something positive together. If you're lucky you'll have experienced this kind of leadership in some area of your life. As a country we have not had that kind of leader for a very long time. Keir had an opportunity to bring people together but he is as divisive as Farage, just in a different way. Large groups of the population don't feel listened to. People have no hope. Until we have a quality leader who can inspire, give hope, listen, unite, the rest of it is irrelevant.

The European Union is no longer fit for purpose in the twenty-first century.

Decades of over-regulation within the protectionist Eurocentric Single Market has caused the economies of the EU27 to stagnate, become globally uncompetitive and completely miss the boat on the digital economy.

Not since classical antiquity has an enduring civilisation emerged that used the continental European model as a template for its government and legal system. We know that embracing the free markets, using common law under a parliamentary democracy is the better system, because it has worked, time and again. This is why the Anglosphere has been so successful and why there is no equivalent positive international footprint left by the EU27.

Putting continental Europeans in charge of supranational decision making was a mistake. Paying them £10 billion per year to cause the entire continent to underperform its western peers was off-the-scale stupidity.

Leaving the EU was not some kind of fiendishly cunning 5D manoeuvre. It was just common sense. The time had come to jump.

It will take decades for the UK to remember what it is and what it does so well; we need to de-Europeanise our institutions, economy, regulations and mindset and re-posture ourselves as a proper Anglosphere nation. The EU should do the same if they wish to curb their decline.

I would too but I voted remain so was never in favour - though mainly voted as status quo seemed better than obvious pitfalls of leaving.

But there is a poltcial reluctance to re-join as they fear as subset of voters don't want to still and they are in strategic seats.

Plus not sure how EU feel really - what terms would we get - would taking Euro be an issue this time.

Because they are generally ill educated like Trump supporters and hand onto his every word! Many believe that the councillors elected to KCC are able to stop the boats! UKiP the forerunner to Reform had control of Thanet and bankrupted it! Fortunately by the next election people will see how awful Reform are. The reality is the turn out for local elections was less than 30%. We need to have an Australian system where it’s mandatory to vote if you are of voting age or you get fined! To many people complain about governments but do t bother to vote!

Voted Remain and went on all the marches. Complete madness to leave the EU but here we are. The whole of the world is facing huge challenges and most of them would not make a dfiference about our EU membership. One of the issues is the EU wanted to punish the UK by leaving to ensure that no one else left. I think it would be in the interests of both the UK and the EU if we rejoined but I am ot not sure whether the political willingness is there on both sides. Would the EU be able to give the UK some of it's previous benefits and would the UK be willing to accept that we made a mistake? Also not sure whether the Euro would be the right currency for the UK. i think there would have to be compromises on both sides and the people would have to look beyond the old 'national rivalries'. I think given the state of the world it would be in everyone's interests but I am not sure it would ever happen as the EU would want to see the UK punished and the UK population would not agree to rejoin on reduced terms.

Exactly.

Putin’s / Russia’s influence on Brexit were such that - especially combined with the breaking of other electoral rules - the result should never have been allowed to stand. It was a sham referendum - not even intended to be binding, but even as an advisory result, meaning due to the infractions.

And it did absolutely embolden the decision to fully invade Ukraine. He was going to do it sooner but Covid got in the way.

We absolutely do need to re enter now, as an absolute necessity for our national security, if not just the important economic reasons.

I voted remain, and I don't think it would be that easy to get back in unfortunately.

Only if they contribute more than they take out which doesn't seem to be the case when you factor in not just taxes and NI but the cost of dependents and the cost to healthcare, housing pressures, education, crime and all the other economic costs, let alone non-economic costs and changes to society and culture. So many people seem to see the UK as just a massive, faceless, sterile GDP machine not a place rich in history, culture and traditions.

I read that an individual needs to make £40k every year until retirement before tax to be a net contributor (themselves alone). And immigrants get old too and need care and money spent on them - it's a massive ponzi scheme which basically makes rich people and faceless corporations richer whilst everyone else gets poorer and society gets more fragmented.

It isn’t as simple as just reversing we would need to reapply to be in the EU and would be much worse off then we were if we just remained.

I voted to remain but my life is currently the best it has ever been I can’t say if that is due to brexit or not. So far I have been on the loosing side of every vote I have ever been part of, that is the nature of politics you need to accept the voices of the majority not the minority. If you were to reverse it now there would have been no point to have a vote in the first place.

I know this isn’t what you asked but I would really consider which career you DC is working towards with wanting to do a languages degree. My DC also considered doing a language degree but when they looked at potential careers, they decided to go down another route.
Their friend completed a languages degree and has really struggled to find work since graduating. They are now looking to do something completely different.
If your DC has a specific career in mind that needs a language degree, then great, but otherwise I would maybe look at doing something else.
Nowadays, there are so many people who speak multiple languages it doesn’t give the advantage it used to IME.

..don't want benefits stopped? Are you saying that targeting benefits is now a good thing? Somebody better tell Starmer he's got it bang on then.

Racist/stupid/gammon/thick 🥱 soundbites that still come trotting out 9 years later.

There are lots of good reasons to criticise Brexit. That’s not one of them.

Putin knew full well that the EU is powerless to stop him, just as much after Brexit as before. Look at Starmer’s laughable ‘coalition of the willing’. In fact there’s a strong argument that the EU would have done even less than it did had Johnson (post-Brexit) not championed Ukraine.

Germany is especially culpable for cosying up to Russia for cheap gas.

I wanted to stay in and voted that way. But, l suspect, like many instinctive but not rabid remainers I could see the faults in the EU. There are some major stresses in the EU’s social and economic position that could collapse it. On balance EU survival is more likely than not, I think, but the effect on EU countries frantically disengaging in a crisis would make Brexit look like a picnic.

We should have stayed in. But we should turn down the rhetoric against leavers.

I honestly think people who vote Reform are fantasists. Don’t want the WFA stopped. Don’t want benefits stopped. Think policies designed to lessen our reliance on fossil fuels are a bad thing. Blame immigrants-when previously it was the EU. Want a tax free threshold of 20k. But no coherent policies how to pay for that.

Just when you think the arrogance can't heighten any further. Critical thinking in education has been stifled in favour of only seeing things from the left's point of view. This thread alone, hell the very tantrum led title of it shows that anybody attempting to explain their reasons for voting Brexit or Reform is pointless.

Me? You think little old me is that powerful? Shucks.☺️

If all it takes to get a Reform vote is calling someone "stupid" you can bet your arse the Reform campaign will target the not very bright by doing just that.

The vote Reform is chasing is easily manipulated fools, so they can manipulate them and it's easy. The gullible vote.🤷‍♀️