To want Brexit be reversed

I sometimes wonder if Farage was so keen on Brexit because he knew it would fuck the UK over, create even more misery and he could then present himself as the saviour of our ruined country. He will be very aware that his brand of politics only flourishes when people feel ignored and hopeless.

Entirely with you on this, OP. My daughter, who was too young to vote at the time of the referendum, currently lives and works in an EU country having jumped through endless hoops to acquire the right to be self-employed there - but is now facing the prospect of having to leave because of red tape that simply did not exist pre-Brexit. It maddens me that her future is jeopardised simply because of the small-minded, xenophobic attitude of people who will never be affected by their decision (and quite a few who are affected and are now moaning about it, such as expats with properties in mainland Europe who didn't stop to think about what they were actually voting for... 😡)

Cameron could have planned it properly and taken advice from a Royal Commission before the vote was held.

Or he could have decreed that there had to be a majority vote in each of Wales, Scotland, England and Northern Ireland, for Brexit to go ahead, which is the threshold for most constitutional changes.

Or that it required more than a simple majority eg two thirds.

He was sadly inept.

Well apparently now, Reform voters shouldn't be celebrating VE day. 🙄 I think that latest nougat shows just how out of touch some of these posters are.

I completely agree that calling people stupid is unkind, unhelpful and unnecessary not to mention counterproductive as you point out. However, I really do struggle with the mindset of voting against your own interests because that is somehow a win against someone you don't know on the Internet that called you stupid.

I do think we need to be finding ways to connect though. It scares me how the battle lines have been drawn and people are one side or the other. People on both sides need to be willing to find more common ground.

Why would they doubt the opinion of experts in their fields? I would say that they willfully chose to ignore the information that didn't fit with their narrative.

I think it was Michael Gove who famously announced that the nation had had enough of experts.

And now we are all reaping the consequences.

Well, he could continue to vote LibDem, given his apparent political conviction up until now. Or Green. Or Independent. Or not vote at all. What I don't understand is how, ideologically, he could move from supporting LibDem to Reform? It's simply non-sensical.

Shouldn't be allowed to vote? Sounds like a dictatorship. Shocking level of entitlement on this thread. 3 things guaranteed to rattle the echo chamber: dogs, Brexit and Reform.

@Dangermoo I’ve read posts similar to blueleavesgreensky a few times on mn saying that stupid people (eg anyone they disagree with) shouldn’t be allowed to vote and few posters object. Maybe some people genuinely want a dictatorship - provided it’s left wing, of course.

Wow! What an arrogant post! So the majority of this country are "unintelligent " aka stupid. I assume you are one of the few clever ones in the uk then! The one with a high IQ and brilliant critical thinking skills

Who are you quoting here? I seem to have missed this post.

I can't understand this sentence. Maybe it's several sentences?

@DoYouReally I've never been in a rational discussion about it and people often talk at you when one starts like oh look inflation is up thank you to those brexit voting moron gammon s karons they are idiots aren't they

I voted remain and while I knew Brexit was going to be bad I have been shocked at the damage that has been done to this country and to our young people's futures. It was crazy and reckless of Cameron to hold the referendum and he did it simply to try and shore up his authority with disastrous consequences for generations who could not even vote. The average voter and that includes me had no understanding of the complexities of international trade and yet this was our main benefit of being in the EU. Madness,and I try not to think about it as it is done and dusted, it would be good to hope that we could rebuild some sort of positive relationship with the rest of Europe but why would they want to?

So depressing but true.

Yes health services are run differently in France, Grimsby and Spain but we are not allowed to tweak our model so it will keep failing.

Very fair point, actually feel very sorry for the people of NI and Scotland who understood what was and would happen.

The part that confuses me, is the 70% plus turnout but I've never met anyone who says thry voted yes and has any logical reason why. Even in here very few people advise thry cited leave, yet the results say otherwise.

play stupid games. Win stupid prizes. This is why democracy is flawed. Some people are too stupid to be allowed to vote.

@blueleavesgreensky How would you decide who should be allowed to vote?

It’s probably because although Brexit didn’t cause the cost of living crisis, it made it worse. And the key thing is that the UK looks to be on a path of economic decline. Lots of things will happen in the world that the government has little control over but Brexit means that the impacts of those things will be worse for Britain basically.

That’s not my opinion. It’s the opinion of economists.

Shouldn't be allowed to vote? Sounds like a dictatorship. Shocking level of entitlement on this thread. 3 things guaranteed to rattle the echo chamber: dogs, Brexit and Reform.

Of course inflation isn't just a result of Brexit!

And btw, everyone saying that EU countries are having problems too; yes they are, the CofL crisis is widespread.

However, the main differences I notice when I visit friends in France, Germany and Spain, is that the state services are generally functioning reasonably well and that provides a buffer to people who are are finding the hikes in food and fuel costs most difficult to bear.

To give just a few examples among many; public transport functions and is state subsidised, so it doesn’t cost an arm and a leg to travel from one major city to the other. The rubbish collection services are more frequent. Essential services like social care are delivered at a reasonably high standard. Libraries and public spaces are well maintained.

Because they doubted them to be true. Not because they judged them ‘worth it’.

You won't get certain posters to admit that anything is other than Brexit.

Although they may occasionally blame covid.

@TankFlyBossW4lk I mean I want low taxes, working public services, high wages and low costs as much as the next person but I am also realistic

Lab and Con have both had significant power during our lifetimes. Neither are any good and he won’t vote for them because of it. So it needs to be someone else.