To want Brexit be reversed

Maybe, maybe not

It is still a lie that it was a Brexit benefit

I think the strength of the leave campaign is underestimated. It was a close result. There’s a programme on the campaigning. The messaging was incredibly effective.

I also think people felt frustrated and showed it in votes, politicians are good at getting results they don’t want if they make enough people feel unheard.

However the political pressure would have been greater inside the EU as stated above.

Member states were in no way obliged to take part in the EU’s joint vaccine procurement scheme.

Under European law, the UK was permitted to act independently to approve the vaccine in an emergency.

Quite.

I don't think, 'we're going to make it a bit crapper for no discernable benefit, but don't worry you can just suck it up and work a bit harder', is that compelling.

That's why they went with the NHS lie.

So 52% are ill-informed. I am guessing that the 48% are the well informed ones then?

Nick Timothy MP
@ NJ_Timothy
Here we go again. In 2017 under the Dublin regulation: - 314 migrants were transferred out of the UK - 461 migrants were transferred to the UK The year before the numbers were 362 and 558. Dublin didn't work. Labour aren't serious.

But the PM didn't unilaterally exit EU though. He asked the people and the people spoke. There's no point in the entitled 48% moaning , 52% have chosen to leave and that's democracy. That's how the real world works and coming onto mn and moaning about status quo and "not know what to tell darling daughter" is just cringe.

Did you not read my earlier post - the ambassador's letter (we had officially left the EU so we were outside the decision making process during the transition year) plus the vaccine alliance of four countries who were persuaded to give up their alliance and join the EU scheme. If it were not for Brexit, the political pressure of joining the EU's vaccine scheme would have been much greater.

Shame they didn't write that on the side of a bus, eh.

With ones life. If you can't go to an European country easily to do whatever you wanted to do , like you used to be able to, then you do what millions of others have done and make sacrifices and work hard, jump their hoops and achieve what you want. If you don't want do the hardwork and make sacrifices or can't, then that's fine too..but then don't come on mn and have a fecking rant about how your life could have been if things were different (talking about the OP). Either you jump the hoops and achieve what you want or you don't and quit moaning and find an alternative like everyone else has to.

Absolutely. Just explain the reality that our former Prime Minister chose to gamble away the future of the country in a failed attempt at settling some in-fighting within his own party, and that an ill-informed electorate then voted to tank the economy because they didn't like foreigners and chose to believe some lies on the side of a bus. But don't worry, darling. At least we have blue passports now.

It was all part of Farage’s long term plan. Blame European immigrants for everything, get Brexit where he made millions crashing the pound and we lost the Dublin agreement. Cue thousands of people coming on small boats since that he can then scapegoat as a means to reach the ultimate goal of Reform.

There will always be some group that is a ‘‘problem’’. People have been blaming immigrants since time began. Someone to punch down on. Next it will be the disabled that are too much of a drain on society’s resources. We harmed ourselves for this. We need to rejoin but that will be hard and won’t be on the same terms, and I think some people are too ignorant or not wanting to admit they’ve been a fool so they double down on it.

And this whole "I didn't know what to say to my dd" is just fecking cringe. How about parenting and teaching your child the reality of living in the real world, instead of having an entitled rant on mn.

Get on with what?

What I meant was the referendum has been done, people have spoken via their votes and it is what it is. Not sure why people have to keep going on and on about what they wish. This is what living in a democracy is like. We all can't have everything we want the way we it. Uk is not going to keep having referendums each time a poll indicates something. Polls aren't always correct either. People just need to stop whinging and get on with it.

This is rather missing the point.

It would be madness to hold a referendum and risk people voting to rejoin when the chances we would not be allowed back in are so very high.

You mean that people believe the lie?

OK. I will rephrase my original statement to say that they were well aware of the risks that were being predicted by the experts and chose not to worry about those risks because they decided that other factors were more important to them. Is that better?

For me, it amounts to the same thing. They heard the warnings and chose to ignore them because they liked the narrative of sunlit uplands better.

This thread would be hilarious apart from the fact Brexit isn't funny.

It's full of people claiming intelligence while unintentionally proving otherwise.

Politically it made a big difference - see my earlier post.

Where has anyone said they want uncontrolled immigration? The choices are not Reform or uncontrolled immigration. They are between one approach to it or another. I may have missed it but I haven't seen anyone say exactly what Reform intend to do to tackle immigration. Just lots of them saying it is bad, but no actual plan.

YANBU. Sadly whilst some still believe Nigel Farage is the new messiah we remain royally screwed.

Shouldn't have been a referendum.

@Bunny44 do you think there should’ve been a referendum in 1975 to join in the first place?

The latest polls show that between 45% and 49% of respondents want to rejoin the EU if you include people who answered neither/don't know. It would be madness to announce another referendum with so much uncertainty as to the result. Why would you want to go back to 'Brexit uncertainty'? How would this benefit the economy?