To want Brexit be reversed

18 years ago? Is that what you meant, wasn’t Labour in then?

Lockdown isn’t that great anyway. In terms of huge damage it causes. We’re still seeing the impact from it now.

Yes because we wouldn't use the planning from one very infectious virus and apply it to another. I mean that would just be....toological and sensible, ridiculous .

It was political in fighting that was the cause of ridiculous directives and the extended lockdown.

Ah yes, the political infighting in the Tory government caused by...
Can you see what it is yet?
...Brexit.

Lockdowns were not which is what the pp posted.

I can assure you a lockdown was muted 18 years ago in pandemic planning when at which time we were planning for an influenza pandemic. I absolutely know this to be true because i ran part of the health planning at this point johnson disbanded the remaining part (austerity killed some of it off already) when he came into power. It was predicted that lockdown was a necessary part that long ago...Btw, were still overdue a 'flu pandemic.

Lockdown was not on any planning. It was a flu response.

It likely wasn’t on other countries’ either. Until it happened.

It will only take another member like Greece to require a massive bailout and the net contributors will have to take stock at how their own lives are being affected

This massive bailout you speak of was a loan @ARealitycheck. In fact a series of loans - being repaid. The way you have presented it is as if the bailout was a gift. Wanted to clear that up.

You recall incorrectly. Resources were shifted from Pandemic planning to deal with Brexit.

A plan had not been drawn up.

From what I recall, the stop on ongoing pandemic planning happened around 2017, as a plan had been drawn up. It was political in fighting that was the cause of ridiculous directives and the extended lockdown. It should also be noted that the UK was among the very first to start implementing vaccines.

A third benefit to staying would have been we didn't lose the EU funding for many of the community, health and charity organisations that were shrunk or closed down by Brexit.

The EU free movement and single currency gave an unfair advantage to Countries with far lower costs of living, as well as lower standard of living.
UK wasn’t part of the single currency, and could have set minimum wage higher if necessary to offset the lower costs of labour from countries in eastern Europe. Chose not to. Also chose not to limit immigration from outside the EU, which we could easily have done.

I believe going forward there will be a backlash like there has been here, in the more affluent Countries like Spain, Italy, France, Germany and the EU will either have to change it's control over member states or lose members. While all this is going on, I believe the UK with it's own currency will prosper.

I think you underestimate the value that other countries see in the EU. Their ‘exity’ types are smaller minorities than in UK. I can’t see a Frexit or a Spexit (can’t think of a German equivalent but also think it unlikely to happen). Even Meloni isn’t pushing an Italian exit.

With 100% debt I don’t know how strong our currency is right now.

I can’t find your Brexit benefits in your answer, though. Could you highlight or repost them please.

Lockdowns were not which is what the pp posted.

We wouldn't have lost qualified NHS staff, nor would we have shifted resources away from Pandemic planning. So remaining a member of the EU would have been 2 benefits.

No, I have no idea what you mean by backlash.

It sounds like the kind of scaremongering language used by the Daily Mail when they want to convince readers that France is on the brink of civil war, to the point where I've had people texting me asking if everything is OK over here and I'm like, "Why wouldn't it be?"

A pandemic was expected - yep that's true because I worked in this area. The government shut down the planning.

I have said exactly what I believe will happen. You know exactly what it means when I say backlash.

@TooBigForMyBoots EU Countries went their own way with regards to Covid also, especially with hoovering up resources. So the claims being a member would have been a benefit during covid are false.

@ARealitycheckis correct people didn’t expect large parts of the economy to be shut down even with planning.

A pandemic was expected.

The UK directed resources from pandemic planning to dealing with Brexit. We also lost a load of NHS workers due to Brexit in the few years leading up it.

Another example of why Brexit was shit for the UK.

It says absolutely nothing about what you actually think will happen.

Backlash? What does that even mean?

Go read the reply again. It gives an answer. It may not be one you want, it may even be proved in time to be incorrect. Just the same as those with pro EU views could be proved to be wrong.

Nobody knows the future, after all, who would have forecast a situation where the whole world was shut down for tow years due to a virus!

It's not an answer though.

Just like any other person, I cannot forecast the future. I have given my answer based on my interpretation of a fairly likely scenario.

You have said absolutely nothing here about what you actually think will happen.

I'm quite happy to give my opinion on what could happen, simply based on my interpretation of the world economy both now and at the time of the brexit vote.

The EU free movement and single currency gave an unfair advantage to Countries with far lower costs of living, as well as lower standard of living. Employers in the UK and other more developed Countries took advantage of that at a cost to their own Country economy. Long term that is not sustainable.

I believe going forward there will be a backlash like there has been here, in the more affluent Countries like Spain, Italy, France, Germany and the EU will either have to change it's control over member states or lose members. While all this is going on, I believe the UK with it's own currency will prosper.

It will only take another member like Greece to require a massive bailout and the net contributors will have to take stock at how their own lives are being affected.

@Walkaround agree entirely. It wasn't about increasing sovereignty it was about increasing executive power and lowering scrutiny. Much like how Trump is running the US right now - riding roughshod over their processes.

Truss will happily hand over sovereignity to the US, as does Reform.