To want Brexit be reversed

To be fair, the NHS budget in England alone rose by £400 million a week in real terms between the referendum in 2016 and 2019/20, the year before Covid.

David Cameron confirmed that he will pull Britain out of the single market if there is a vote to leave the European Union at the upcoming referendum.
https://www.politico.eu/article/david-cameron-bbc-andrew-marr-ill-pull-uk-out-of-the-single-market-after-brexit-eu-referendum-vote-june-23-consequences-news/
April 2016
Thanks to Michael Gove we know that Britain's future outside the EU would also be outside the single market.
https://www.itv.com/news/2016-04-19/michael-gove-says-britains-future-outside-the-eu-would-also-be-outside-the-single-market-but-what-does-that-mean

Similarly there are plenty of people who think we had a veto on every EU law or that EU citizens could easily be deported if they had not found work within 3 months.

You're thinking of the European Court of Human Rights, which we are still subject to (as signatories to the Euopean Convention on Human Rights).

Though Reform want to pull as out of that, too.

Brexit was an advisory vote I've really no clue why they actually went through with it people were disenfranchised with the whole situation instead of listening and working with the people to resolve the issue they threw their toys out the pram and left

You can't reverse Brexit any more than you can reverse World War 2. It's something that happened, and is in the past. We could rejoin the EU but that would be a completely new process. I would prefer us to remain as a proud independent country which has good relations with all countries in Europe but is not subservient to any of them.

My fury has always been directed at the 'bait and switch' of leaving the European Union suddenly meaning leaving the Single Market too.

We were reassured that was not going to happen and then suddenly it was what it always mean.

It enrages me because that was NOT what the vote was on.

I think we should rejoin the Single Market because that is what is causing so many financial difficulties!

Didn't the UK economy shrink by about £140 billion due to Brexit?

The UK economy hasn't shrunk, it's grown - you are thinking of studies claiming that the economy would have grown even more than it has if it were not for Brexit.

But you can only give the people a voice when they are fully conversant with the truth and not bombarded with factually incorrect propoganda eg Boris’s £350 million for the NHS.

https://www.healthjobs.co.uk/health-care-uk/blog/what-happened-to-brexit-s-350m-nhs-pledge/

I'd like nothing better than to reverse that idiotic decision. I think it will happen eventually but not in the next decade.

The likely outcome (if I was generous and split the don't knows 52-48 to stay out) would be 53% for rejoin. The argument that it's not resounding is also true for the outcome of the 2016 referendum. We shouldn't have left without a super majority and given the result it shouldn't be a 'hard brexit'.

The likelihood is this is going to rumble on for decades my expectation is that we will probably eventually rejoin. I'll probably be dead by then but I entirely expect that this will be viewed as a blip in terms of the long term.

What nonsense! The people weren't "given a voice", they were merely fed a narrative and told what to think by clever manipulators, who all the while were sniggering behind their backs at the people's gullibility.

Didn't most polls predict stay ..aren't these polls not necessarily accurate as the pre-brexit polls were?

I'm blaming the former PM for putting a very complex issue to the public vote in the form of a very simplistic question, not because he thought it was the right thing to do but because he wanted to silence critics in his own party.

Of course, there is nothing inherently stupid about people making choices that I wouldn't make. But there are some choices which are just stupid.

So, for example, I don't like beetroot and I choose not to eat it. However, I won't think you're stupid if you do want to eat it, I will simply think that you are making a different choice to mine and I will respect your right to do so. If, however, you were making the choice to take heroin, I would think that was stupid because I would see it as an act of self harm.

In the same way, I have no issue with people making different political choices to my own. As you say, people will indeed have different priorities. However, I regard Brexit as having been a monumentally stupid act of national self harm, so unless the priority was to fuck up the country indefinitely, I can't see what people think they have achieved.

But I'm open to hearing your views. Please tell me why you think Brexit was an intelligent decision to make, and what benefits you think it has delivered.

Just explain the reality that our former Prime Minister chose to gamble away the future of the country in a failed attempt at settling some in-fighting within his own party, and that an ill-informed electorate

Personal attacks on peoples intelect/comprehension is not a trait of a wise person. Whilst you are not saying the PM unilaterally exited EU you are blaming the PM for giving people a voice. A voice, clearly, that doesn't accord with your own.

Great post 👏

All too true very sadly. And really alarming.

It’s all about division, “othering” and sowing distrust. Foisting blame on others; never accepting responsibility for failure.

At the same time, under-mining and under-resourcing the judiciary,

Suddenly there is no more civic society; just business deals. And the ordinary man in the street suffers the consequences.

If you deliberately cut yourself off and move away from the roughly centre left Christian democrat position of the EU; where do you expect to end up? The only way to go is right!

I am so sick of hearing that the EU is over-inflated and bureaucratic. Sorry but it takes a lot of meetings and paperwork to reach consensus between 27 countries speaking 24 languages! Yes; consensus! A bringing together of separate nations to pursue similar aims. Isn’t that refreshing in today’s political climate?

Or do we want to go the way of the USA and have power concentrated in the hands of a few billionaires who can make extremely dubious decisions in an instant?

I think almost certainly if the vote had gone to Remain, a majority would say that was the wrong decision a few years later. The great benefit of Brexit that I do believe is that it's given every UK politician the yips at the idea of suggesting referendums for anything.

Without commenting on the subject. I'd like to say this is probably the most mature and excellent discussion on brexit I have seen. There actually appears to be people listening to each other, not necessarily changing their minds but at least respecting that someone else has a different view even if , in their opinion, it is wrong. Thank You.

It could only be reversed with another referendum and given the support for RefUK I doubt many would vote to rejoin.

Plus we would have a much weaker bargaining position than we did previously.

However the most recent poll in the link says that 45% of respondents want to rejoin, 38% stay out and 17% neither/don't know. Hardly the basis to run a new referendum.

https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/51484-how-do-britons-feel-about-brexit-five-years-on

A choice that doesn't accord with your own isn't necessarily a "stupid" choice. What is important to you may not be important for someone else.Children should not be taught to be entitled and to believe that their thinking is the only right way and that everyone else that disagrees with them is stupid.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potential_re-accession_of_the_United_Kingdom_to_the_European_Union

So reading that more want to rejoin than stay out.

And there are some don't knows.

Your link says they have excluded the don't knows.