To want Brexit be reversed

Yes! Speaking of avoiding war … the question of political allegiances looms large atm given Trump’s current actions.

It’s increasingly alarming reading about Trump putting tax obstacles in place to stop the top US universities from receiving funding; and overseeing the arrests of judges, his stated intentions towards Gaza, Canada and Greenland, and so much more.

It’s all hideously reminiscent of the 1930s.

The UK is going to have to decide soon whether the USA is an ally or not?

When is Keir going to speak up?

It makes it harder for him to do so when the UK is a small group of countries isolated on its own; no longer part of the EU with the joint power and influence of 27 countries.

No I do think we should offer higher salaries (but then that needs money - where does that come from?)

But then point is the industry has an issue not just for the money but because it is incredibly undesirable work. If people can make the same money elsewhere, they will. You could double my income and I still would not look after the elderly for a profession and many feel likewise. So how much more would you have to pay to get the right people who are there not just because of cash, but because they are passionate about caring for the elderly / children?

I did not say we cannot be selective, we already are in our skilled migrant pathway. I just keep seeing people cite Austria without knowing what types of professions they have on their skills shortage list. It’s not just high earners.

But that’s a separate point. The poster seemed to be critical of a migrant being strategic in their life choices to allow them to move country.

I think you’re far from alone @BeKookySheep !!!

I would love it to be reversed in future.
Honestly people in the UK don’t know they’re born. Once COL rises and they can’t cope perhaps they’ll come back down with a bang. People wonder why we joined Europe in the first place - it was about avoiding death and war. I hope we don’t have to sink to those lows again before we can get over our arrogance.

The issue is that we have no spare housing and are increasing our population 900,000 in one year.

What happens if you have a care visa currently, can you work in other jobs?

ETA I see in @winter2020 pp you can get citizenship then switch.

I am sure that British people emigrating for work to Australia also do this because they WANT to live in Australia

Over 900,000 people (net) migrating to the UK in 2023?

So you would continue to wreck the country because you think that one day a trans woman might want a pee in the next cubicle to you if you don’t?!
Read it all now.

What examples can you give?

Have we tried offering carers high salaries then? That gem must have passed me by.

And as a country we can stipulate the jobs/people we will give a visa for. If we only have 300,000 visas to dish out after allowing for boat/lorry arrivals and other humanitarian visas then we would have to get as selective as that required.

Edit to answer "carers thst WANT" to do it. People do not move internationally because they "WANT to work in care" they do it because they "WANT" to live in the UK. A lot of these people will be out of care the minute they are allowed to get a different job.

Yes, I’d be interested in the answer to this.

Care workers are included in Australia’s Skills Shortage list FTR.

I absolutely take your point on people doing care work to come to Britain but we need to think about how we get the number of carers we need each year given how few people want to do it.

You know the Australia skills shortage route also takes in people like carers, hairdressers and florists right? It’s not just highly paid professions. A lot of people like to cite Australia without realising what their system is actually like (they also have exceptionally high rates of immigrationn- higher than ours.

As for carers - it’s not merely the money. It’s that it is tedious, unpleasant and dirty and most people just have zero interest in that kind of work. No matter what the salaries. And we need carers who WANT to do it otherwise the quality of care is abysmal.

I never said I want to stop all immigration. I said we should aim for net zero immigration. People leaving the country should roughly equal people arriving - we have no spare housing!

So (as pic attached) in 2023 the number that left the UK to emigrate was around 480,000. You could use the number of people emigrating one year to set limits for immigration the following year. You would also want to keep track of Brits returning and factor them into your numbers, as well as people arriving by small boats/in lorries etc .

Unplanned humanitarian help such as helping x many people fleeing war in Ukraine or x many leaving Hong Kong you might need to go into an "overdraft" and allow more people in reducing ordinary visas the following year to compensate if we had gone over target.

This would ensure that when a government pledges to build a million extra homes for example that eases pressure on housing rather than not even keeping up with new arrivals and housing being ever more squeezed- and expensive!

Edit to add @TopPocketFind
Also to say whether other countries want to allow Brits to go and live there and the rules for that is up to them.

The main thing is Boris closing the economy down for a year and a half and paying millions of people's wages, have you forgotten that little thing called the pandemic?

What was promised and how are the civil service and government blocking it?

I am not sure why that is an issue? Would be migrant chooses a specific route that increases their likelihood of being able to move to the UK.

I did the same when I moved to Australia.

bloody Boris Johnson got it done with his oven ready deal!
He won the 2019 General Election on that promise!

How did you want it delivered?

It hasn’t delivered what was promised because the civil service and government don’t actually want to deliver it, so have intentionally implemented it poorly because they don’t want it to work.

Its weaponised incompetence on an international level and an appalling example of politicians who would rather be proved right than do what is best for their country

What about both, better wages and working conditions would attract more UK workers.

Referenda are not a one time thing.

@MrsSkylerWhite how long should we wait for the next EU referendum? Also, if there is such enthusiasm to rejoin, do you think the government will organise another one before the next election?

Perhaps - I'm not familiar with the rules of that. If they are actually highly skilled and it's not possible to train or employ British people then yes - up to the limit of net zero immigration - entries = leavers.

If the "skilled worker visa scheme" includes all the care workers and general health care assistant /other jobs that you can learn to do in a few weeks or months then no. I work in care and it is not a skill we need to hunt the world for. The people coming from abroad to work in care are not "highly skilled" (though they might be very nice). No "skilled visas" should be neccessary for any job that someone can train up for in a few weeks or months.

Care visas are a large part of what we grant. I think @Winter2020 makes some good points. Whether we want to replace that care ourselves by doing it or paying more for it is another question.

If I had the authority I would copy the Australian model and prioritise people where we had a genuine skills shortage and they had a genuine skill.

Like the UK's skilled workers visa scheme?