Crime statistics by country of origin

The main problem with the way that you have framed this is that you are deliberately excluding the grooming gangs that are run by white, black, Chinese, Albania, Indian etc etc men.
You've taken out all of the Christian church rapists, people like Jimmy savile, etc.
The last stats showed that there was an overrepresentation of Asian men and black men but that Asian carried out 14% of the abuse. 42% white men.

There are multiple issues about the failure of these sorts of crimes being either reported or acted upon. The specific failure of the grooming gangs not being tackled in Rochdale and Oldham etc is race specific and does need to be discussed.

Public school boys have been raped for decades, as have children in children's homes, as have musicians and public figures used their status in order to get away with hideous rapes forever.

I think it would also be very useful to understand who the victims of these crimes are. There is massively a class issue going on. Obviously public schools are the exception to the rule but when it comes to girls it really does tend to be working class girls you have had the brunt of the abuse carried out upon them. Probably because they were seen as "slags" and up for it etc etc. and because they didn't the power to push for justice.

Within certain cultures as well there is definitely even bigger issue towards how women are treated and perceived. Society is currently not helping this perception through the easy availability of porn, and figures like Andrew Tate and Tommy Robinson getting so much love.

Sadly if a party like reform get in they will do fuck all to help the working class girls who are subject to this sort of abuse. The policies will end up harming the poor and the working class more than anyone. They will probably go around closing all rape crisis centers and counseling support as being wishy washy middle class bollocks. Or something and their anti-inclusion policies will definitely not support these girls. the rhetoric is likely to also stir up further racial tension and all this will do will fuel fire into pre-conceptions that different cultures have of each other. This in turn will lead to more violence and abuse.

They can do both - in that, that level of data is recorded when a Suspect is taken into Police custody (and then later charged, convicted etc).
Dual nationals UK / something else are recorded as such.
Routine 'foreign national' data enables Police Forces to do background checks with those other countries as well as against the UK Police databases to check for prior convictions, re-calls to Prison etc.
Country of birth is not the same as nationality in that UK nationals could have been born anywhere. The main emphasis initially on arrest is accessing info from other countries as to any murky (or not past).

This isn't in itself sinister - but can be manipulated as such by certain elements in this country!

Exactly, @totk!

I find it pretty amusing that people are crying racism before the stats have even been released...it suggest they know exactly what might be revealed.

One of the key tenets from @MiloMinderbinder925's (presumably) favourite novel 😏

I don't think the implication is that we shouldn't try and stop them ...

Immigration Law is different to human rights law.
British Immagration is banned in a lot of countries as each country controlles it's own borders and it does not need to adhere to the human rights law as given to their own citizens.
It's the Government's choice to set the immigration target this year at 1.2 million and illegal migration of 200,000 they accept around 100,000 as assylum claiments.

@MiloMinderbinder925do you think all countries are the same on this? Eg if you had a dd would you choose one country over another or are they all more or less the same

I quite agree.

throwing out simplistic sound bites does not a robust argument make

I'm just stating a fact. Men are human beings. You can choose to twist that how you like.

And there we have it - scratch the surface and it’s always about the poor men

My question was how do the human rights of women and girls fit into your analysis on this issue?

whst do you make of the evidence upthread of the levels of sexual offences by country of origin in Germany then?

Men are people. I understand that you don't see some men as human and deserving of rights, but they are.

Every single country in the world, unfortunately, has VAGAW. In fact, there's something called the Nordic Paradox where countries with the greatest sex parity have higher levels of domestic abuse than other European countries.

CEDAW covers women but women are also covered by the UDHR as well as other instruments.

And it’s not people - it’s MEN.

Women and girls from Syria - I think we should be flying them in

Can you point me to the international human rights resolution giving everyone the right to live in the UK, @MiloMinderbinder925?

what human rights specifically are you referring to in this case?

Yes - I unashamedly want to take away/limit the rights of men to live in Britain who come from cultural groups who evidende shows are far more likely to commit sexual violence against women and girls.

I have not the slightest problem in saying that
why don’t you want to limit that?

and when you refer to “human rights” what exactly do you mean? “Humans rights laws” are laws written mostly by white men. Whst is your analysis of the human rights of women and girls in this?

Unfortunately for you and your chums, Human Rights don't work like that. You can't give human rights to some people and not others.

I’d be interested to see the stats re recent Ukrainian refugees- I would bet there was a relatively large proportion of women and children and there was no noticeable higher levels of VAWG

could be wrong - but my instinct would be that

It's not a very good example because a trade is a choice but your ethnicity is not. I keep explaining that we have something called Human Rights which apply to everyone, unfortunately for you.

You seem to want to take away some people's rights based on racial profiling.

Alex Philips made a very good piece about life as a young woman in London – the constant harassment etc. What makes it worth watching (I think you can watch it on Youtube) is that she's genuinely angry and 100% sincere.

It would be a change in the law. Immigration laws can be changed.

Yes, that's why I said policy change.

@MiloMinderbinder925 heres an example for you

its very hard to get a visa to Australia. It is easier to get one if you are a plumber, an electrician or a hairdresser.

in other words it discrimaintes against people who are not from this group because it wants more plumbers, electricians and hairdressers because they are more likely - at a group level - to make an economic contribution.

if the stats show that men from Syria - at a group level - are more likely to make a negative contribution to society by being more likely to have higher levels of vawg - then they should be discrimainted against. Because what they are more likely to bring to the society is negative than positive.

if the stats show that women and girls are more likely to make a positive or neutral social construction - then bring em in.