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Executor asking for money back

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naffusername · 04/05/2025 03:27

So, MIL died in August of 22. Number three son was named Executor. There are four sons in total.

Will stated family home was to be sold and proceeds divided equally among her surviving sons. Two sons had moved back home 20 years ago and never left.

House was sold in 23 after going through Probate.. Funds were released in December of 23.

No notice, we just found a large chunk of cash in our chequing account. We contacted the lawyer for a statement of account and were given the bare details. Our bank was happy with us and told us that the money was tax free (inheritance law here) and if the funds were released it was ours and nobody should be asking for anything after the fact.

Fast forward to April of 25. The Executor has been in touch and wants $10K to settle "our share of the taxes owing on the Estate". He claims that he released the funds early because he and brother number 4 needed to buy places to live! Husband pointed out that he had received his Executor's fees and then he turned around and said he'd never wanted the job!

Husband wants to give it to his brother as he doesn't want there to be "any bad blood in the family". I reminded him of what the bank told us and have checked on line with our tax agency. Our oldest son basically said his Father is a fool to even consider giving back the money as the funds being released signal the estate is settled.

There are no family ties to break. This was the first we'd heard from any of the brothers since November 23. They never were a close family and had no time for us when we visited and I doubt they would recognize our children. My sons did visit their Grandmother but were aware that there was some memory issues and that the son name as Executor didn't seem to want them there.

So do we pay 10K or write of a relationship that doesn't exist?

OP posts:
ShanghaiDiva · 04/05/2025 11:44

VickyEadieofThigh · 04/05/2025 11:38

I edited my original post within a minute to acknowledge the OP isn't in the UK!

Oops! Didn’t notice that. Apologies!

VickyEadieofThigh · 04/05/2025 11:38

ShanghaiDiva · 04/05/2025 08:53

OP is not in the UK. There may be fees in other jurisdictions

I edited my original post within a minute to acknowledge the OP isn't in the UK!

ShanghaiDiva · 04/05/2025 11:24

alsohappenedoverhere · 04/05/2025 11:11

Why wouldn’t you pay this back. I get verifying it but expecting a windfall because your brother made a mistake is morally reprehensible.

in England the executor may be personally liable if they distributed the estate before all debts have been settled.
https://www.gov.uk/probate-estate/distribute-the-estate
It seems that some people who take on the executor role don’t really understand what they are doing or the personal liability that goes with the role.

Dealing with the estate of someone who's died

If you already have the right or have probate (as an executor or administrator) you can start dealing with the estate. You may need to apply for the right to deal with the estate of the person who's died (also called 'probate').

https://www.gov.uk/probate-estate/distribute-the-estate

ACynicalDad · 04/05/2025 11:21

I'd want a spreadsheet of the entire estate and any valuables and furniture etc they may well leave it. Although if he shows this then you need to be prepared to hand it over.

ShanghaiDiva · 04/05/2025 11:18

Tiswa · 04/05/2025 11:10

Isn’t that the point though that the OP is reliant on the bank telling her something as why there isn’t tax to pay?

the op is not in the uk, but why would the bank be offering advice on whether or not there it tax to pay?

alsohappenedoverhere · 04/05/2025 11:11

Why wouldn’t you pay this back. I get verifying it but expecting a windfall because your brother made a mistake is morally reprehensible.

Tiswa · 04/05/2025 11:10

ShanghaiDiva · 04/05/2025 10:47

Exactly!
it’s for the dh as beneficiary to liaise with the executor, but there is also a we discussion between spouses as the situation affects their joint financial situation.

Isn’t that the point though that the OP is reliant on the bank telling her something as why there isn’t tax to pay?

NamelessNancy · 04/05/2025 11:01

If it's a genuine error (and it's totally reasonable to ask for proof) I can't believe the number of people who'd leave it to the executor sibling to pay.

My DB and DSis were executors of my DF's will. My other DB and I were equal beneficiaries with none of the work or responsibility. I am so grateful to them for having done it and would not dream of financially shafting them if an error had been made or a late tax bill materialised.

Diarygirlqueen · 04/05/2025 10:48

Lovelysausagedogscrumpy · 04/05/2025 09:35

OP refers to ‘our bank’ in her posts. If the funds were paid into a joint account then they are a joint marital asset and OP has equal say over what happens to them. It isn’t greedy to point out that it’s unwise to hand over a large sum of money with no proof it’s owed, just to keep the peace. Which, according to OP is what her DH is proposing.

If you read my post, I did say once the tax had been confirmed. I still stand by what I said.

ShanghaiDiva · 04/05/2025 10:47

TizerorFizz · 04/05/2025 10:38

@Tiswa Since when is the bank a tax adviser?

Regarding “we”. Most married couples would talk about this difficulty! It’s not assuming the money belongs to the op. It’s assuming it’s a discussion between a married couple.

Exactly!
it’s for the dh as beneficiary to liaise with the executor, but there is also a we discussion between spouses as the situation affects their joint financial situation.

Deadringer · 04/05/2025 10:42

Executer of a will is a shit job, after seeing the hassle my sister went through recently I swore I will never do it. I actually had to give some money back after there was a miscommunication over the proceeds of my mum's will, it was a small amount as she didnt leave a lot, and i did it without complaint. Personally if it can be shown that your dh was over paid in error I would be willing to pay it back, but ultimately it's up to him. I also think your oldest son should keep his beak out.

Dogpawsandcatwhiskers · 04/05/2025 10:41

Any IHT should have been paid before the monies released to beneficiaries. Has your DH deen the accounts from the probate paperwork BIL submitted? If it's an honest mistake then think your DH has to decide whether he wants the money or the relationship with his brother. And tbh asking for it back may have already soured the future relationship.

TizerorFizz · 04/05/2025 10:38

@Tiswa Since when is the bank a tax adviser?

Regarding “we”. Most married couples would talk about this difficulty! It’s not assuming the money belongs to the op. It’s assuming it’s a discussion between a married couple.

AthWat · 04/05/2025 10:31

tripleginandtonic · 04/05/2025 09:59

It's not we, it's your dhs decision. Whatever he wants to do .

What if the OP has already contributed several million pounds into their joint finances and this is the first money ever to come in from her partner? Is it still his to do whatever he wants with? If he did take that that attitude might she be reasonable to reconsider hers?

Bollindger · 04/05/2025 10:23

Please ask to see ALL the paperwork.
I know someone who was asked for 10k and it turned out the real figures had not included any belongings of the deceased and they were owed 59k.

GRex · 04/05/2025 10:19

Lovelysausagedogscrumpy · 04/05/2025 10:12

Why isn’t it ‘we’ ? OP indicated that the money was paid into their joint account (‘our bank’). That renders it a joint marital asset and as one half of the relationship OP is entitled to an equal say in what happens to it.

Edited

The problem is that the law doesn't work like that in England and may not work like that wherever OP is, so it's a bit silly to be telling her she owns half the money when you don't know the legal position. At divorce, when the money is unspent it can be treated as individual inheritance.

There is a moral element here, where DH doesn't fancy ripping off his brother due to an honest mistake but OP is happy to. OP may yet find out how assets are treated in divorce with this sort of behaviour, so it's unwise to give her false hope of what she will be entitled to.

Tiswa · 04/05/2025 10:16

Surely the bank just told you YOU don’t need to pay tax not that the estate didn’t need to pay?

yiur husband needs proper proof - paperwork and paper trail and take it from there

TizerorFizz · 04/05/2025 10:13

The op needs to look at the rules where she is. Uk law isn’t helpful if it’s not Uk. However if she said where she was some people might have accurate advice. Feeling sorry for the executor is misplaced though.

Lovelysausagedogscrumpy · 04/05/2025 10:12

tripleginandtonic · 04/05/2025 09:59

It's not we, it's your dhs decision. Whatever he wants to do .

Why isn’t it ‘we’ ? OP indicated that the money was paid into their joint account (‘our bank’). That renders it a joint marital asset and as one half of the relationship OP is entitled to an equal say in what happens to it.

oncemoreuntothebeachdearfriends · 04/05/2025 10:11

TizerorFizz · 04/05/2025 09:35

@oncemoreuntothebeachdearfriends Paying out before you know the full tax position is poor anywhere in the world.

TizerorFizz · Today 10:02

"In the uk it would actually be the executor paying this. They have sole responsibility!"

Precisely why I asked.

TizerorFizz · 04/05/2025 10:02

In the uk it would actually be the executor paying this. They have sole responsibility!

TizerorFizz · 04/05/2025 10:01

@tripleginandtonic Most of us in marriages do discuss what WE do! We might have had plans for the money! This is now an expense. A big one if the Op and Dh have spent the money! Of course it’s WE at this stage.

tripleginandtonic · 04/05/2025 09:59

It's not we, it's your dhs decision. Whatever he wants to do .

JosephGeorge · 04/05/2025 09:53

Be fair to the brother who was executor. But - make sure you have clear evidence that what he is saying is true before sending him any money. He could be have made this up.

Ellisace · 04/05/2025 09:45

This exactly. No paperwork no money. He's entitled to see everything, at the end of the day he's trusted that the amount received was a quarter of the home sold but without seeing paperwork how does he know he wasn't short changed