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Reform councils to cut SEN spending

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LookingForRecommendation · 03/05/2025 17:39

.. according to the Lib Dem’s. Can they even do this? My DC isn’t SEN but her class has 5 TAs mainly as 121s and I dread what would happen if their funding is removed. Our council isn’t Reform led but they’re pretty neck on neck in no overall control.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2025/apr/24/ed-miliband-energy-pricing-keir-starmer-nigel-farage-latest-live-uk-politics-news

UK politics: Reform will axe councils’ special needs funding if they win in local elections, Lib Dems claim – as it happened

Party’s education spokesperson says Farage’s comments about doctors over-diagnosing children shows he wants to cut spending

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2025/apr/24/ed-miliband-energy-pricing-keir-starmer-nigel-farage-latest-live-uk-politics-news

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WarriorN · 04/05/2025 08:22

I personally think that when some of these reform councillors actually get into the role they’ll realise how fucked up everything is.

soupyspoon · 04/05/2025 08:19

bigvig · 04/05/2025 08:12

TAs in my experience sit next to an SEN child 'babysitting'. Often that means the child becomes more excluded and certainly doesn't help them progress. Properly trained and used TAs are wonderful. But they are few and far between.

Helping children regulate themselves is not babysitting. And yes some young people need someone physically there to stop them harming themselves and others. Call it babysitting if you like

But there are not enough of them, people dont want to be employed on term time contracts for only 6 hours a week to get hit and kicked and be viewed as a 'baby sitter'

CherryVanillaPie · 04/05/2025 08:15

worcesterpear · 03/05/2025 18:01

To be fair, that piece is just speculation and one of the reasons given in my county for people voting reform was the cutbacks in SEN spending. So, they would be very unpopular with their voters if they did this.

Are they under the impression Reform will increase SEN spending then?

bigvig · 04/05/2025 08:12

soupyspoon · 04/05/2025 08:08

What do you mean by 'used effectively'

TA's are often filling in for teachers which isnt using them effectively if they are meant to be a child's 1-1, but equally we dont have enough teaching staff, so until thats fixed that will continue. There are also not enough TA's because for every child which is supposed to get a 1-1, we're often told by schools that its not a 1-1 for that child specifically, its a TA in the room providing 1-1 to several children.

TAs in my experience sit next to an SEN child 'babysitting'. Often that means the child becomes more excluded and certainly doesn't help them progress. Properly trained and used TAs are wonderful. But they are few and far between.

Sirzy · 04/05/2025 08:10

bigvig · 04/05/2025 08:01

I don't support this. However there does need to be a conversation about how much is reasonable to spend on things like taxis to school, TAs. In my experience TAs don't work. They could work if used effectively but at present it's mostly a waste of money. I think people would be shocked if they saw the actual figures. That said to simply cut provision rather than review and restructure it in an attempt to improve it is wrong.

My son has full time 1-1, we fought to get it in his EHCP in a way it couldn’t be argued! Because he has that provision he is now in year 10 and mainstream and looking likely to do ok in his GCSEs. Without that there is no way he would cope in mainstream education.

TA support is essential to a lot of children, sadly schools often don’t have the funds to use them effectively across the board but they do make a massive difference.

Impostersyndicate · 04/05/2025 08:09

sen funding already basically doesn't exist in my area anyway.

soupyspoon · 04/05/2025 08:08

bigvig · 04/05/2025 08:01

I don't support this. However there does need to be a conversation about how much is reasonable to spend on things like taxis to school, TAs. In my experience TAs don't work. They could work if used effectively but at present it's mostly a waste of money. I think people would be shocked if they saw the actual figures. That said to simply cut provision rather than review and restructure it in an attempt to improve it is wrong.

What do you mean by 'used effectively'

TA's are often filling in for teachers which isnt using them effectively if they are meant to be a child's 1-1, but equally we dont have enough teaching staff, so until thats fixed that will continue. There are also not enough TA's because for every child which is supposed to get a 1-1, we're often told by schools that its not a 1-1 for that child specifically, its a TA in the room providing 1-1 to several children.

bigvig · 04/05/2025 08:01

I don't support this. However there does need to be a conversation about how much is reasonable to spend on things like taxis to school, TAs. In my experience TAs don't work. They could work if used effectively but at present it's mostly a waste of money. I think people would be shocked if they saw the actual figures. That said to simply cut provision rather than review and restructure it in an attempt to improve it is wrong.

Langdale3 · 04/05/2025 07:58

Bushmillsbabe · 04/05/2025 07:45

It already isn't fully funded, and funding to education as a whole has been cut in the past year. Yes, they can't stop it, but they can reduce it under the premise of balancing budgets. I work within an NHS team supporting children with disabilities, and we have been told to reduce our budget by 10% this year, as has my husbands council department.

Well your council will need to watch out. Parents have successfully sued the council near me due to inadequate provision, so they are now investing in more SEN provision.

Middleagedstriker · 04/05/2025 07:57

He would though given the chance. He is very openly far right. Given that the extreme far night murdered thousands of disabled people in concentration camps we can't be surprised that he is going to treat people with disabilities poorly.

soupyspoon · 04/05/2025 07:57

The majority of SEN provision is statutory so it cant be cut in that way

I also believe, based on the service users I work with, that SEN families would have constituted a high number of Reform voters. Turkeys voting for xmas. The most vulnerable in society have voted for hard line, right wing (more right wing) policies because they think their own special cause is being overrun with other special causes and feel disgruntled.

Its like the vast majority of those voting for Brexit were people who relied on some way shape or form on the EU and its protections and income.

Langdale3 · 04/05/2025 07:56

Sirzy · 03/05/2025 17:53

I know I went out to vote strategically in order to try and keep them out. I know others who did the same. Sadly it wasn’t enough this time around.

This group gives us an indication and we vote accordingly. It really works. Maybe a collective of residents could set up something similar where you live.

https://www.southdevonprimary.org

South Devon Primary

A fair & transparent way to choose one progressive candidate to unite behind at the next general election, and stop the Conservatives winning on a minority vote.

https://www.southdevonprimary.org

Chemenger · 04/05/2025 07:52

What a surprise. Farage loves Trump so a quick look at what is happening in the US gives a fair idea of the Reform agenda. Vote for a populist get populist policy.

Genevieva · 04/05/2025 07:49

This looks like alarmist reporting. I’d ask the local council directly.

Bushmillsbabe · 04/05/2025 07:45

enpeatea · 03/05/2025 23:46

There is the disability discrimination act so no they can’t just stop funding SEN

It already isn't fully funded, and funding to education as a whole has been cut in the past year. Yes, they can't stop it, but they can reduce it under the premise of balancing budgets. I work within an NHS team supporting children with disabilities, and we have been told to reduce our budget by 10% this year, as has my husbands council department.

TimeFlysWhenYoureHavingRum · 04/05/2025 00:04

Unsurprising. Reform are very coy about their actual policies but in essence i undertand they want to follow Trump in cutting as much as possible from social spending to pay for tax cuts for the rich while blaming and victimising "immigrants" for everything.
Deeply depressing stuff.

Hamandpineapplepizza · 03/05/2025 23:58

Octavia64 · 03/05/2025 21:12

A lot of councils don’t meet their statutory requirements anyway due to lack of money.

it’s common that parents need to take them to tribunal/review to get a needs assessment or EHCP,

I expect reform will continue that and underfund even more.

it’s one thing councils having a legal obligation it’s another making them actually do it. (And I do blame central government for not funding the system properly).

Agree. So many services have been cut entirely or stripped to the bone.
Round here libraries and swimming pools are closing, roads aren't maintained, elderly care and schools generally are in a dire state

I don't know what the answer is but we have to accept that budgets aren't infinite

Hamandpineapplepizza · 03/05/2025 23:55

Charlize43 · 03/05/2025 19:14

^This

For those mentioning Councils having a lack of funds... my London council has 30 x staff earning more than 100K a year. Perhaps they could re-structure, cut the fat cat salaries and use their budgets more effectively.

Some of those staff carry tremendous levels of responsibility and risk.

I actually quit a public sector job along those lines partly because the pay was in no way commensurate with the tremendous level of risk and complexity and the high profile nature of the job.
For a similar level of risk and profile in the private sector you would expect many multiples of the salary

enpeatea · 03/05/2025 23:46

There is the disability discrimination act so no they can’t just stop funding SEN

FiveWhatByFiveWhat · 03/05/2025 22:02

Livelovebehappy · 03/05/2025 21:49

Nice bit of ageism there. Why do you think only the elderly vote Reform? Maybe it meets your narrative to think that, but the reality is people of all ages have turned out to vote Reform in the recent local elections. And isn’t what’s being said about the SEN services equal to Labour removing cold weather payments from OAPs and doing a review on PIP/disability? All parties are looking at putting in place cuts which affect vulnerable people.

I'm saying it because I know an awful lot of older people (personally and through work) who voted Reform. Several who have voted for the first time or for the first time in years, specifically to vote Reform.

I didn't mean it as a sweeping generalisation, my parents are in their 70s and detest the party and everything they stand for. But our area has a very high older age population and is known as being particularly right wing (we had a BNP seat years ago 😬) These two factors meant nobody was shocked when Reform took control this week.

RufustheFactuaIReindeer · 03/05/2025 21:53

Katemax82 · 03/05/2025 21:09

I've got 3 sen kids actually and don't use facebook

Thats why she said ‘most’ instead of ‘all’

Livelovebehappy · 03/05/2025 21:51

BuckinghamPalaceFlagpole · 03/05/2025 19:52

Our council in now under control of Reform. Absolutely disgusted with them and the idiots who believe voting for them will improve their lives ! I’ll be taking them to tribunal if they so much as lay a finger on SEN funding that will be detrimental to our DD. They are a bunch of cunts as are the people who voted for them !!

The same way I feel towards Labour voters…..

ACynicalDad · 03/05/2025 21:51

I suspect they can’t do much unless they run the country.

Livelovebehappy · 03/05/2025 21:49

FiveWhatByFiveWhat · 03/05/2025 18:04

Exactly the same here, Reform took our area - unfortunately not surprised, we have a massive amount of elderly and it was heavily impacted with rioting idiots last summer.

I saw Old Nige's (again totally unsurprising) comments on Sen children last week so I'm fully braced for cuts and more bs to follow.

Nice bit of ageism there. Why do you think only the elderly vote Reform? Maybe it meets your narrative to think that, but the reality is people of all ages have turned out to vote Reform in the recent local elections. And isn’t what’s being said about the SEN services equal to Labour removing cold weather payments from OAPs and doing a review on PIP/disability? All parties are looking at putting in place cuts which affect vulnerable people.

Parttimerconfusion · 03/05/2025 21:16

Not sure if it’s true, need the facts and figures. I think they tend to run with the lines anyone who can’t bring money in by working and will use more money than what they can provide in tax will be targeted…SEN / OAPs etc

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