To say the current welfare system encourages this?

Another one for the collection.

I know all this as I'm mid terrace and apparantly they like to sit in the garden discussing the ins and outs of everything.

Gosh. They all sit in the garden discussing the minutae of their finances. How fortunate for you and now you can start a disability benefit thread on them.

Why exactly is any of this your concern?

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Oh goody. I was getting really fed up of the voter bashing threads, so it's great to see someone with initiative getting us back to the disabled bashing threads. Shame about the crappy bank holiday forecast - they won't be providing any garden updates on their financial circumstances for a bit.

How do you know all this @Sendcrisis2025 ? I am guessing they boast about it to you?

Oops, sorry just read this bit.

I know all this as I'm mid terrace and apparantly they like to sit in the garden discussing the ins and outs of everything

Of course they do.

It’s almost an acceptance of universal basic income now isn’t it? Too hard to get people to work and many are just unemployable so give them enough to do nothing and keep them quiet.

Agree there is no incentive. Unfortunately working people can be only a little better off which is where the main problem is. Easier for everyone to import workers from abroad than get Brits back to work.

I often refer to a study that showed that people who suffer a trauma and are told they need to wait for counselling will not get better until they’ve had it. People who are not offered it just get better. Bit simplistic but yes. Too much incentive to stay unwell.

I agree that the support system is loaded way too late in the timeline

ie they probably can’t work now - but quite possibly they could have and their illness was avoidable

eg poor education, childhood trauma etc etc

and a life on benefits is never as good as a life where an avoidable illness was avoided.

but effective early intervention requires a seismic shift in society . So….

Personally, I would prefer to have my health, my freedom & be able to work

From my experience of travels around the world

Many other countries do not provide benefits

Bloody hell, I barely know my neighbours surnames let alone the ins and outs of their finances.

Amazing how many people know acquaintances incomings on MN.

Erm, PIP at maximum would be both maximum daily living amount and maximum mobility amount.

you can only get the maximum mobility amount if you cannot walk 20 metres and have medical evidence to back it up (amputation, MS, etc etc).

are you sure about that?

it’s possible he is an alcoholic but also disabled? Does happen.

I mean, support services for helping people with mental health issues or alcohol issues is woeful.

They're unlikely to be able to work, until they get that help. And maybe they won't bother trying to get help, buy PIP won't last forever as it gets reviewed anyway.

But what job do you think a mentally unwell alcoholic will be able to do?

I don't necessarily disagree with you, but I think the issue is more nuanced than you think.