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Why can’t Harry just pay for his own private security?

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jennylamb1 · 03/05/2025 14:36

Don’t get it. He says that he can’t ever visit the UK again because his security won’t be provided. Loads of celebrities and high profile business people pay for their own security, why should tax payers pay for his security when he isn’t a working royal anymore?

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FenellaFeldman · 03/05/2025 17:44

LBFseBrom · 03/05/2025 17:31

He does pay for security, however Scotland Yard security is supposed to be the best and as a born royal, he has technically always been entitled to it.

Remember his mother gave up her security when she was divorced from Charles, obviously it was there when she was with her children but otherwise not.

To this day the people at Scotland Yard say had they been looking after Princess Diana, what happened would not have happened, for a start she wouldn't have got into that car and secondly there would have been a team of security which would have kept the harassing paparazzi away.

I don't think it is at all unreasonable for Harry to have the same security as the rest of his royal family if he visits the UK. It was an outrage that it was taken away so suddenly while he, Meghan and Archie were on Vancouver Island. Chaos descended. Thankfully they managed to escape and obtained some privacy thanks to Tyler Perry.

It's the principle as much as anything. As Harry himself says, he didn't ask to be born into the royal family but he was and therefore should be properly protected as they all are. I'm not saying it is completely foolproof, nothing ever is, but it is extremely efficient and round the clock.

I would like to see him, Meghan and the two children here sometimes. The two little ones are the King's grandchildren and the family needs to be able to relax, not worrying about people looking through their windows.

That's why they get security. When they lived at Frigmore Cottage did anyone peer in their windows? Snap them in the back garden? Hide in the bins? No. The only images we have of that residence are the ones Meghan and Harry took, and shared online.

IdaGlossop · 03/05/2025 17:42

AgnesX · 03/05/2025 17:33

Why automatically; now that William has three children, does Harry not slip down in the hierarchy?

He has slipped down. He is fifth in the line of succession. Before George was born and while QEII was alive, he was third. When William ascends the throne, he will go back up to 4th. Such fun!

BigWillyLittleTodger · 03/05/2025 17:41

Remember his mother gave up her security when she was divorced from Charles, obviously it was there when she was with her children but otherwise not.

Yes she gave it up against Royal advice.

I don't think it is at all unreasonable for Harry to have the same security as the rest of his royal family if he visits the UK. It was an outrage that it was taken away so suddenly while he, Meghan and Archie were on Vancouver Island. Chaos descended. Thankfully they managed to escape and obtained some privacy thanks to Tyler Perry.

He does get security, he is not entitled to the same as The King, our Head of State or the Prince of Wales the Heir and nor should he be, he is a non working member of the RF who lives in another country. They had security on Vancouver Island by the way, the Canadians were not impressed at having to foot the bill, and as for Tyler Perry wasn’t it at his house where the pair of them were complaining about paparazzi in helicopters flying above their house he lent them?

I would like to see him, Meghan and the two children here sometimes. The two little ones are the King's grandchildren and the family needs to be able to relax, not worrying about people looking through their windows.

When has anyone been able to look through their windows? Oh must have been when they were staying at Tyler Perry’s house.

JoyousEagle · 03/05/2025 17:41

lavenderlou · 03/05/2025 17:38

The trouble is Harry voluntarily left the set-up where armed security and a secure residence were available to him. As he now lives outside the UK, he'll have to inform the security services when he will be travelling so they can prepare for him. He has been offered secure royal residences to stay in on his visits which he has refused.

And that last point, about him choosing hotels over a secure royal residence, significantly weakens any moral high ground he claims to have imo. Ok, relations are frosty, but it’s a palace. He’s not saying no because he doesn’t want an awkward breakfast in his dad’s 3 bed semi. He could stay and not see anyone.

FenellaFeldman · 03/05/2025 17:40

JoyousEagle · 03/05/2025 17:38

He thinks that’s ever so unfair and doesn’t want to.

As the judge politely put it, his grievances do not amount to legal arguments.

This ⬆️. I thought the judge was very clear about the situation.

FenellaFeldman · 03/05/2025 17:39

Meanwhile someone armed with a crossbow got into the grounds of the property in Windsor where William, Kate and the children were staying.

lavenderlou · 03/05/2025 17:38

The trouble is Harry voluntarily left the set-up where armed security and a secure residence were available to him. As he now lives outside the UK, he'll have to inform the security services when he will be travelling so they can prepare for him. He has been offered secure royal residences to stay in on his visits which he has refused.

AquaPeer · 03/05/2025 17:38

BlackPantherPrincess · 03/05/2025 17:24

Harry and Meghan make themselves a target by all the media they attract. If they actually lied low like they said they wanted the interest would die down.

a target because people dislike them is very different to a kidnap for ransom threat or the threat of assassination.

JoyousEagle · 03/05/2025 17:38

JorgyPorgy · 03/05/2025 17:35

So what’s the issue for him then ? Can’t he give 28 days notice?

He thinks that’s ever so unfair and doesn’t want to.

As the judge politely put it, his grievances do not amount to legal arguments.

IdaGlossop · 03/05/2025 17:36

PinkArt · 03/05/2025 15:38

Harry is a unique case because he was born into the level of risk that the has. He didn't strive to become a pop star or actor, didn't get voted into power, did nothing himself to have been a kidnap threat since the day he was born.
It doesn't matter if he's a non working royal or the most working royal ever, he is still the King's son. He could try to rebrand as just Harry Sussex/ Mountbatten-Windsor and get a job in Lidl, but he is still the King's son with all of the risks that brings, through no choice of his own.
I haven't seen the whole of the interview but thought he made that point very clearly - his royal job might have changed but the threat level brought by who his family is hasn't.

His case is considerably weakened by: choosing to travel to Columbia, Nigeria and Ukraine; choosing to live in a country where virtually anyone can own a gun; choosing to publish the number of people he killed in Afghanistan when serving in the military; the fact that despite all these factors, there has been no attempt to harm him, unless you count the New York car chase, in the four years since he stood down as a working royal.

FenellaFeldman · 03/05/2025 17:36

JorgyPorgy · 03/05/2025 17:35

So what’s the issue for him then ? Can’t he give 28 days notice?

He doesn't want to.

FenellaFeldman · 03/05/2025 17:35

AgnesX · 03/05/2025 17:33

Why automatically; now that William has three children, does Harry not slip down in the hierarchy?

Because he has assessments based on any threats. They all get threats, in spite of what some people claim, but it's true to say that Harry is high profile. Anne, Edward and Sophie do not pursue a celebrity lifestyle and do not constantly seek publicity, to wit, they are probably less at risk than a very controversial figure such as Harry.
However, it's entirely up to the security services because they act on intelligence. So that changes frequently.

JorgyPorgy · 03/05/2025 17:35

IdaGlossop · 03/05/2025 14:41

Harry is not painting the full picture. His security is paid by the tax payer when he comes to the UK, provided he gives 28 days notice so there is time to complete a threat assessment. He can't pay because it would set a precedent for wealthy people to buy government services.

So what’s the issue for him then ? Can’t he give 28 days notice?

FenellaFeldman · 03/05/2025 17:33

They got security when they were in Canada. Officers were sent to protect them.

AgnesX · 03/05/2025 17:33

FenellaFeldman · 03/05/2025 17:30

@AgnesX - Edward, Anne and Sophie only get security when performing royal duties.
So Harry automatically gets a higher level than them.

Why automatically; now that William has three children, does Harry not slip down in the hierarchy?

LBFseBrom · 03/05/2025 17:31

jennylamb1 · 03/05/2025 14:36

Don’t get it. He says that he can’t ever visit the UK again because his security won’t be provided. Loads of celebrities and high profile business people pay for their own security, why should tax payers pay for his security when he isn’t a working royal anymore?

He does pay for security, however Scotland Yard security is supposed to be the best and as a born royal, he has technically always been entitled to it.

Remember his mother gave up her security when she was divorced from Charles, obviously it was there when she was with her children but otherwise not.

To this day the people at Scotland Yard say had they been looking after Princess Diana, what happened would not have happened, for a start she wouldn't have got into that car and secondly there would have been a team of security which would have kept the harassing paparazzi away.

I don't think it is at all unreasonable for Harry to have the same security as the rest of his royal family if he visits the UK. It was an outrage that it was taken away so suddenly while he, Meghan and Archie were on Vancouver Island. Chaos descended. Thankfully they managed to escape and obtained some privacy thanks to Tyler Perry.

It's the principle as much as anything. As Harry himself says, he didn't ask to be born into the royal family but he was and therefore should be properly protected as they all are. I'm not saying it is completely foolproof, nothing ever is, but it is extremely efficient and round the clock.

I would like to see him, Meghan and the two children here sometimes. The two little ones are the King's grandchildren and the family needs to be able to relax, not worrying about people looking through their windows.

HonoriaBulstrode · 03/05/2025 17:31

He said in the interview he will only get any kind of security when he visits the UK if he's invited on an official visit, he can't visit privately.

If that is true, it puts him on exactly the same level as every other member of the RF, except the K & Q and the Waleses. Working royals only get security when on official royal engagements, not in their day-to-day private lives. Non-working royals do not get security.

BigWillyLittleTodger · 03/05/2025 17:30

PinkArt · 03/05/2025 17:27

He's Prince Harry. If he never did anything to deliberately put himself in the public eye ever again he'll always be Prince Harry, famous royal, son of/ eventually brother of the King. He didn't get a choice about becoming famous and has limited options to turn it off.

And he will always get security, where does it say anywhere that he doesn’t?

FenellaFeldman · 03/05/2025 17:30

@AgnesX - Edward, Anne and Sophie only get security when performing royal duties.
So Harry automatically gets a higher level than them.

BigWillyLittleTodger · 03/05/2025 17:28

notanothernamechange24 · 03/05/2025 14:51

It also only covers him - not Meghan or his children. There have been very credible threats to Archie when they were living in Windsor.

Where on earth have you got this nonsense from? Do you really think they only protect Harry and leave Meghan and the children to fend for themselves? Honestly I despair.

FenellaFeldman · 03/05/2025 17:28

PinkArt · 03/05/2025 17:27

He's Prince Harry. If he never did anything to deliberately put himself in the public eye ever again he'll always be Prince Harry, famous royal, son of/ eventually brother of the King. He didn't get a choice about becoming famous and has limited options to turn it off.

Yes, that's why he will always get security in the UK at a high level.

PinkArt · 03/05/2025 17:27

AgnesX · 03/05/2025 17:11

Do Anne and Edward have security., since they're on a par when it comes to the royal succession. Presumably that precedent helped form the court decision?

Maybe if Harry piped down and didn't court (!) the media quite as controversially as does he wouldn't be in the public eye.

He bleats on about media privacy but only when it suits him it seems.

He's Prince Harry. If he never did anything to deliberately put himself in the public eye ever again he'll always be Prince Harry, famous royal, son of/ eventually brother of the King. He didn't get a choice about becoming famous and has limited options to turn it off.

FenellaFeldman · 03/05/2025 17:25

BlackPantherPrincess · 03/05/2025 17:22

really?

Meghan and the children are included in protection. Why would they not be? They'd send a special limousine with close protection for Harry, but make Meghan and the children get a taxi?
By the way, they're not allowed to take taxis, although I noticed Harry and Meghan did so in New York. I can't imagine that's safer.

BigWillyLittleTodger · 03/05/2025 17:25

Bigcat25 · 03/05/2025 17:20

He said the security he gets basically amounts to someone on the end of a phone, and far from adequate. I don't know how true that is.

Well he could send the Home Office a text to let them know he is on his way if a phone call is too arduous for him.

BlackPantherPrincess · 03/05/2025 17:24

AquaPeer · 03/05/2025 17:14

To be honest, I actually don’t. I do believe royals should have protection depending on threat but I don’t they’re that much to worry about. Zara Phillips etc have been walking round all their life without security.

I don’t think royals are that important.

even so, it’s obvious that the reason Harry can’t pay for the security he wants is because it’s not for sale, and that is right.

Harry and Meghan make themselves a target by all the media they attract. If they actually lied low like they said they wanted the interest would die down.

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